Re: Casual december game
Look, I've seen town leadership and I've seen a lot of people wolfread me. I am a commonly wolfread player, especially early into the game. I am so wolfread that me even voting a town can be seen as mafia indicative even when I killed a wolf before. My ability to project town is not there at all, or at least people's ability to figure out my alignment is not there. I've met very few people who can consistently read me well, and none of them are in this game.
I'm saying this for one reason only: I think the way you're treating me is awful and pro-mafia. If you're a wolf, you're doing great, keep it up. If you are town, you are so stuck in your own head that you're making it extremely difficult to "cooperate," let alone find wolves alongside you. I've seen good wolfreads on me, I've seen lazy wolfreads on me, I've seen it all. I know I am a hard player to read correctly, or at least when I am town. I almost never get townread. The only places where I'm able to enter towncores game after game are mashes, where I also tend to have really good reads. In that sense, it appears you and I are opposites.
But even with that in mind, your approach to my slot is frustrating - and the way you're posting, annoying. You're calling everything I do wolfy, and from my perspective, you are calling people town and mafia for bizarre reasons that do not compute to me at all. Admittedly, I have said this about Spooge and he was the night 1 kill, I recognize that, I've already said that my reads are bad. That's the reason why I'm doubting myself on wolfreading you, I think it's easily possible I'm leveling myself into the wolfread. It happens a lot. But to you, any amount of hedging in my posts, any number of thoughts you consider unsubstantiated, is wolf indicative.
You are saying I am playing exactly like in my last wolfgame. You are not wrong. My ranges are very close together. I've already said this, I am a pretty bad town and a good wolf. I am saying this entirely based on results and not self-perception, it's just true. With that in mind, is it really so surprising that I do not have a clear-cut view of the game and am not writing paragraphs upon paragraphs about someone being mafia/town? I just find it pointless. I can think someone is X alignment for X reasons and then immediately believe it's a bad read, which it often is. It's really not worth my time to devote hours to writing a case on someone only for it to be picked apart or for me to stop believing it pretty quickly, often correctly so. Like I've already said, I would rather just provide my thoughts - I am only giving a lot of reads because that's expected of me and I might get yeeted otherwise. They are and will always be malleable until I discover a process that allows me to consistently catch wolves.
Again, see Spooge, see Logic. My take on Spooge was bad and incorrect, he was the night 1 kill, at least I recognized that while alive and didn't vote him. Logic was town, I incorrectly assumed he was likely a wolf that needed to die. He became towny later, I would not have voted him had I been around as EoD, but he was probably findable before then and I just didn't. My reads are not good. My thoughts can be. That is why I try to give thoughts. In the Org game where I was the D1 ML, I had a correct assessment of the gamestate that was inconcrete but game-solving. I sometimes do have stuff like that, I just usually don't recognize which one is good.
I am repeating myself at this point. Point is, I am not your average player. I am weird! I struggle with things others generally don't, and this isn't me beating myself up, this is from experience. I'm saying this again because you seem to be ignoring all of that, Pizza, and if you are town, you are being pro-mafia with this entire thing. And it frustrates me either way, because you are expressing such confidence and being so... threadstompy, while I don't even think your logic tracks about other people. And I could be wrong to question you, sure, but the very fact you implied I was a wolf if I didn't townread you is laughable to me. That's not how any of this works. That is not how it's supposed to work.
And this is why I mentioned seeing other town leaders. I've worked with other town leaders. I've worked with town leaders who had a wolfread on me. I do not believe that you are being a good town leader. This is all about you and what you think, and while you might even be mostly correct, the way you are approaching this game frustrates me. Especially if Ender is also town. In fact, if Ender is also town, you should feel ashamed, because the way you're playing is destroying this day phase.
I don't really have a townread on Ender anymore. I am conflicted, and I am conflicted mostly because of you, as well as due to the wagon formation from yesterday - the one on Ender, of course - looking good to me. You are wolfreading several players on his wagon from yesterday, but you still think he's mafia. I don't know how to reconcile that.
My top wolfread is still Montmorency, whom you still haven't talked about at all. That's the belief substantiated with reasoning that you wanted. I might change it later! I do often change those later. But I currently hold this belief.
And I also think Taffy is definitely town, and I don't see myself changing this one. I also thought Renata's posts right now were fairly towny. Not sure if I said that earlier.
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Originally Posted by Visor
off tbh, but I guess that's not something that anyone would be able to verify.
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