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Renata 23:06 09/12/22

I know Ender effectively has one more vote on him from Hollowkatt (coming from offwagon).

vote: Visor

hollowkatt 23:06 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Renata:
Like you both decided to self-pres onto Ender as opposed to each other.

when I voted ender was the only person I could even get into a tie with. Boq pressed me on did I really wolf read ender and the answer is no, I don't which is why I said fuck it I'm voting dya and leaving it there. If I get joiners great, if I don't and die that's mafia yeah?

hollowkatt 23:07 09/12/22

Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
when I voted ender was the only person I could even get into a tie with. Boq pressed me on did I really wolf read ender and the answer is no, I don't which is why I said fuck it I'm voting dya and leaving it there. If I get joiners great, if I don't and die that's mafia yeah?

like I don't need to be alive for town to win the game, all that needs to happen is we kill wolves faster than we lose townies

Boquise 23:07 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Because I had just posted minutes before and it's EOD.

Don't take it too harshly.

Fine.

alrightie then.

Boquise 23:08 09/12/22

mmmmh i am moving up hk to town

hollowkatt 23:08 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Renata:
You in particular have taken no notice of him whatsoever other than the since-retracted joke vote on his survivor claim. You're still sticking with the vague dya/boq idea from earlier today as if the thread has done nothing in the interim.

visor can absolutely be a wolf. is that enough notice?

Boquise 23:09 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Renata
Visor (3): Ender, Taffy, Monty
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy
Dya (1): HK

EOD in 2 hours peeps

monty, why are you voting visor if you believe that an ender yeet is good for the game state?

hollowkatt 23:10 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Boquise:
town:
cape,
vulgard
renata
ladd

maybe ender
maybe hk

dya and amy are merged. They are strictly v/v or w/w and I will die on this hill.

unsure of:
visor, monty, kage, taffy

i think these are all the players?

ladd is unpaired with both ender and visor btw imo tbh
renata is unpaired with visor (unless what transpired before was a whole theatric spiel)
visor is also unpaired with cape due to trying to fish votes on him during d1

i take it all back boq is town and the reason is he's cutting off a lot of easy chops that wolf boq doesn't need to cut off. myself, ender, vulgard, ladd, all people he could get chops on. the unsure bucket tracks with how they're thinking about the thread as well.

Csargo 23:11 09/12/22

Vote:Visor

hollowkatt 23:11 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Renata:
I know Ender effectively has one more vote on him from Hollowkatt (coming from offwagon).

vote: Visor

vote: visor

nobody tells me how to vote! I'm a monster, I vote by surprise!

Boquise 23:12 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Csargo:
Vote:Visor

oh i forgot about you tbh
sorry

i have csargo as town tbh

Renata 23:12 09/12/22

Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
visor can absolutely be a wolf. is that enough notice?

It'll do for now.

Renata 23:13 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Boquise:
oh i forgot about you tbh
sorry

i have csargo as town tbh

His posts today have been good I think.

EnderWiggin 23:13 09/12/22

[QUOTE=Vulgard;2053838476I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.

Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.[/QUOTE]

Sure I've been spending 50% of my time being snarky about the reads on me, but I've actively tried to do things outside this. I have been low activity because I have an irl.

I also made a Boq mini-case earlier today.

I also put out multiple thoughts/reads outside that which had nothing to do with myself.

And yes that write-off as different alignments is stupid because people individually react differently. And both Amy and I probably have different ways of reacting even if we were wolves together.

EnderWiggin 23:14 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Vulgard:
I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.

Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.

Sure I've been spending 50% of my time being snarky about the reads on me, but I've actively tried to do things outside this. I have been low activity because I have an irl.

I also made a Boq mini-case earlier today.

I also put out multiple thoughts/reads outside that which had nothing to do with myself.

And yes that write-off as different alignments is stupid because people individually react differently. And both Amy and I probably have different ways of reacting even if we were wolves together.

Montmorency 23:14 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Boquise:
monty, why are you voting visor if you believe that an ender yeet is good for the game state?

I reiterate, #trusttheplan

I have faith that half the mafia team will be dead at EOD.

The sudden wagon activity on Visor is meeting my scrutiny however.

Boquise 23:14 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Renata:
His posts today have been good I think.

they have also been isolated from current events of the thread. Basically approaching the game similar to me tbh
like when there was an argument before csargo popped up with a constructive post on something completely different tbh

Montmorency 23:15 09/12/22

The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?

EnderWiggin 23:15 09/12/22

I do now think that Boq case may have been off the mark, but it exists as proof I've put effort into trying to solve and it's annoying for people to say "You've just defended!" when it's provable I haven't just defended.

And yes this is me posting about sus on me again.

Boquise 23:16 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Montmorency:
I reiterate, #trusttheplan

I have faith that half the mafia team will be dead at EOD.

The sudden wagon activity on Visor is meeting my scrutiny however.

mmm yeah the pizza plan tbh

yea maybe, however prior to the movements on visor, we were at a 3-way tie with votes also trending on not visor (like on hk). Sooner or later the tie needs to be broken tbh

Cape90 23:16 09/12/22

Originally Posted by ladd:
wait he shot you? wat

If I was feeling ungenerous, I could assume Wiggin could be doing this to cover up

Wait you quoted Visor

I wouldn't put it past Visor's claim to be not real though even more so

EnderWiggin 23:17 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Montmorency:
The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?

If Visor is town then someone needs to openly claim shooting me as Desperado so we can get me clear so everyone can see it's been v/v wagons.

But I don't think Visor flips green.

Boquise 23:17 09/12/22

i really should read the boq mini case tbh

it can be my bed-time story tbh

Boquise 23:18 09/12/22

Vote Visor

this is where i will go tbh

Cape90 23:20 09/12/22

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.

He never asked Vul to lead the town.

Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.

Find anyone else he asks that of.

Anyone.

okay okay

I see you

Boquise 23:20 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Vulgard:
You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.

Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.

You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.

You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.

You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.

You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?

You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.

You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:

You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.

That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.

this is a reason i town read vulgard @Hollowkat

EnderWiggin 23:20 09/12/22

Originally Posted by Boquise:
i really should read the boq mini case tbh

it can be my bed-time story tbh

Here

It was mostly because your stance of "Logic wagon good! But I'll never join it." felt weird to me.

EnderWiggin 23:21 09/12/22

I think Amy is also wolf because the reads list was acting like she expected me to die and preparing to have to "revise" her reads when I died.

Cape90 23:22 09/12/22

ladd looks wolfy on page 53 but that could just be me big braining myself into that read. IDK it felt like they were playing up their ignorance

Boquise 23:22 09/12/22

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Here

It was mostly because your stance of "Logic wagon good! But I'll never join it." felt weird to me.

neat tbh
this is usually how town scum reads me tbh. Town is allergic to nuance tbh

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