Casual december game

[Boquise]

in hindsight dya was a wolf being caught for the wrong reasons tbh

[Boquise]

Day one? Yeah that's what happens when I roll up two hours before EoD and try to catch up out of sequence. I have no idea what I'm doing and it shows. I felt like the only options I had were to read through the isos of the top wagons quickly. I came up with Logic>Amy>Ender and stuck with that.

I see, so you get a day 1 pass huh tbh

[Boquise]

i dont think you really believe that

also who the fuck would actually do that

mmh yeah this seems unpairy with renata tbh

[Boquise]

villagery post

(but i disagree on dya, they look villagery in the exchange imo)

Wolf comes in to town read player who is voicing somewhat correct suspicion but also discouraging the sus on their partner by wolf reading them to tbh

[Boquise]

kage feels like someone who is gonna die to the villagers regardless of alignment

best i got is that he is not w/w with boq (probably)

renata you seems to have more experience with them than me and i have no clue what their wolf range is but if a random player was posting like they are this game i'd easily call them a villager and call it a day

for amy my only fear is dya villa reading them, maybe i should respect dya's read more. but besides that i think they have been wolfy (tho not excessively so) and they fit like a glove in an ender!wolf world

Kage is a slot ladd expects to die (from villager blood, mind you, and who is voting kage and pushing him and stuff oh yeah thats me oh yeah thanks ladd for your laser sharp spew tbh)

also unpairs me with a player he expects to die.
I do not think Kage is a wolf.

[Boquise]

HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Renata, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

EOD in 3 hours.

unflipped vs town vs town
confirmed scum on Ender and HK.
Dya has been pushing HK all day zzzz
bad look for taffy through wagonomics zzzzzzzz

[Boquise]

I'm pretty sure I'm voting for boq unless this didn't count for some reason

HK, close to death, decides to vanity wagon me (town) over visor who flipped town and ender who is like 99% spewed town.
nah, this is not scum play

[Boquise]

I am noticing aggression coming out from nowhere with you tbh
Like
How should I know that you are in the thread? You have been inactive previously. Sorry, I don't have a Monty signal to know when I can and can't @ you tbh. But alright, fair enough. But if Ender flips town and you do absolutely nothing meaningful with the flip I will tunnel you until you flip, with gloves off.

I missed those posts, but I do not think I misrepresented Pizza. He pointed out something that he found wolfy on Renata. This was ignored. He then walked it back, but he still had that pov for a time tbh.

on d1 i asked a question to pizza when he was posting but he missed it and only responded later on d2 when i wasnt around
like wtf


Also if you are unable to show a single interaction/connection right now that should be interesting come a flip, then I am convinced you have none of them right now.

10 minutes have gone and a chance to duel with Monty has been put on hold tbh
sad

this is btw an example of me starting to gear up into boq aggro tbh

[Boquise]

I feel like they have had a narrow POV in general

Vote: Kage

I don't have much of a real scumread on ladd tbh and I misread the top part of the post i quoted earlier in voting ladd

HK might just be mafia

gaah

i feel like there is 1 wolf in kage/hk so why not

Vote: hollowkatt

I liked Renata's page 62 case on HK

this is a bit of a retcon on my kage/hk clearings because apogee was n1'd and what really stood out with his play was his ladd vote.
So I suppose Cape could have died for being correct somewhere

[Boquise]

Yeah I actually doubt boq is a wolf reading more

skill issue

ikr @Cape90 tbh
skill issue

[Renata]

Following up on this from EoD yesterday.

No forget that one, I pulled it aside for some other reason and it accidentally multiquoted. Why did you vote on Logic's bandwagon at end of day to tie it up with Ender and Amy, when your only read on any of them all day was Logic town? (You had some interaction with Ender, too rushed to be certain you didn't give a read; nothing I think for Amy.)

Response from Taffy:

I do not believe you iso'd me at all. I specifically said his SoD looked like he was trying too hard to fit in with the wolftell jokes, mentioned p133, but that I thought his later posting improved. Then I engaged with him about his case on Visor, and found his reasoning lacking (though you're right I didn't say that till D2 I think).

You're trying to make my voting for Logic look wolfy but it wasn't.

Finally found it https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053837203

I swear to god I went through that iso three times before I noticed it. I was almost about to post again that I was right and confused about how Taffy could have gotten it so wrong.

Panic from end of day aside: Taffy's iso from day one looks good in a vacuum. Direct, to the point, logical. However there is no interaction with Ladd or Dyachei to do anything with and day two needs to be done.

[Boquise]

reskimming monty iso mega quick i could also see him being a wolf

kinda weird him/kage have got so little heat considering they'd be the 2 easiest target (no offense)

i liked a couple of minor points from monty but really nothing i care to hang onto when there is so many villagery people

a random ladd post i found tbh

town's being wagoned
i guess one could throw in some scum mates name here for distancing
at the same time, kinda unnecessary when scum have control of the thread atp

[Renata]

Boquise with respect to post 2550 you hadn't walked back the scum read prior to reading Dyachei town "for pursuing even though I walked back the scum read". That's the whole point.

With all due respect, with regard to having walked back the scum read, what the heck are you referring to.

Also why did you walk back the scum read. It wasn't because of them pursuing the point, because you say you'd already done it by then. So why?

[Renata]

a random ladd post i found tbh

town's being wagoned
i guess one could throw in some scum mates name here for distancing
at the same time, kinda unnecessary when scum have control of the thread atp

Very unnecessary. At the same time,

Boquise, Monty, Csargo, Taffy, Kage, Hollowkatt, Ender

I have, or have had at some point in the game, fairly confident town reads on everybody here except for Kage. Somebody is scum despite posting well. I'd rather not have to believe it's two.

[Renata]

@Boquise

question two posts up

[Boquise]

the eod wagons d1 and d2 from my perspective tbh:

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy, Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Logic has been chopped! He was vanilla town!

Start of day 2 in roughly 24 hours. (7 PM EST)

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

SOD3 in 24 hours (7 PM EST)

colouring the people i strongly believe are town:

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy, Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Logic has been chopped! He was vanilla town!

Start of day 2 in roughly 24 hours. (7 PM EST)

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

SOD3 in 24 hours (7 PM EST)

With people I think are likely to be town:

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy, Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Logic has been chopped! He was vanilla town!

Start of day 2 in roughly 24 hours. (7 PM EST)

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3):Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

SOD3 in 24 hours (7 PM EST)

people i lean town

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy, Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Logic has been chopped! He was vanilla town!

Start of day 2 in roughly 24 hours. (7 PM EST)

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3):Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

SOD3 in 24 hours (7 PM EST)

my sureness of csargo and kage did go down a bit after reading that ladd post
amy still has the ladd convos around her that is a good look
I have tho locked myself into an amy/taffy team

Ender, Taffy and Renata have all three always voted the top wagon town that gets yeeted.
monty on ender with ladd
probably an error somewhere

[Boquise]

Boquise with respect to post 2550 you hadn't walked back the scum read prior to reading Dyachei town "for pursuing even though I walked back the scum read". That's the whole point.

With all due respect, with regard to having walked back the scum read, what the heck are you referring to.

Also why did you walk back the scum read. It wasn't because of them pursuing the point, because you say you'd already done it by then. So why?

i was reading up so the order of how i read the thread was not completely chronological tbh

like I said, I walked back the scum read because of how they read Logic tbh

[Boquise]

Vote Taffy

[Totally not Taffy]

and if so there's wolves there

I got the distinct feeling that Renata's EoD was specifically geared towards trying to make me go over Dyachei.

Vote: Renata


Explanations and catching up will have to wait till tomorrow (rl), today has been exhausting.

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote Taffy

And with her backing off today, it would make sense that you're number four. Especially given that you've been trying to link Dyachei to Amy, and the suggesting that Renata would be threadspewed from how we reacted to when you brought Asks' old sus back up.

[Renata]

i was reading up so the order of how i read the thread was not completely chronological tbh

like I said, I walked back the scum read because of how they read Logic tbh

This makes no sense. Let me try again.

You NEVER told Dyachei or stated in any way that you had retracted your scum read on them, prior to you saying you were going to town read them because they kept responding to you even after you retracted your scum read.

The whole reason for the town read is false. Like literally impossible. Dyachei could not have reacted to the thing you claimed they reacted favorably in response to, because that thing does not exist.

There's nothing about Logic in that part of your iso either as it relates to Dya. If you said it, you said it on day two, long after all of this happened.

If I'm wrong in my chronology please let me know. It would not be the first time.

Look at how I'm responding to questions about my past actions. Look how Csargo did when I questioned him. You're strikingly different. One liner responses, no elaboration on anything, even aside from what seems to be a blatant contradiction in your own process.

[Renata]

Taffy, read my explanation. I messed up. If you're a wolf it's not because of day one. I haven't been able to look at day two yet. Consider voting Boquise with me.

[Renata]

Doing more Dyachei read, starting day 2. Hollowkatt looks good for snap voting Dyachei in 945 off of their list of reads on Amy, Vulgard, Ender and somebody that they made to answer a question from Pizza. This is after Dyachei had shaded HK for not being memorable and Hollowkatt responded basically, same to you.

[Renata]

Up to page 40, think that's as far as I'm getting. Impressions so far --

Csargo and Hollowkatt look by far the best and are probably town and should be listened to.

Boquise looks by far the worst.

Amy's in this weird place where their tones in both direction read pure; I just don't like where Dyachei slotted her in one of their reads lists, it's like primo w/w slot (light town with two villagers).

Monty, Kage, Ender, Taffy - nothing remotely indicative of alignment in relation to Dyachei, or literally no interactions at all.

[hollowkatt]

idk about renata. Her way to push me is very bad, but i am more used to town pushing me like this than scum. Scum normally tries to fake effort cases on me tbh

also what do you think of my reason to unpair Kage with ladd? No one has said anything about it which indicates to me that I am correct and that I am currently robbing scum from a lhf yeet.

A counterwagon gotta start somewhere - doesn't mean an attempt will always be successful. I think if Kage is town then Amy/Monty have higher scum equity. Monty has however been townsiding imo yesterday so I am more into Amy.

Like, remember how ladd treated my FoS on Kage. He encouraged it, gave it his blessings. I do not think he does that to a LHF wolf teammate. Ladd knows by now that it is easy to make me doubt by questioning my reads tbh

tbh it sounds like something a savvy wolf would do if they wanted to look good especially in a lobby where they've already been D1'd by many of the same people before.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying it isn't clearing for me

[hollowkatt]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

@Ampharos why do you think Dya was treating you the way they did?

[hollowkatt]

@ me with post numbers, I'll go back and look.

@Renata

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053837265

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053839179

[hollowkatt]

So building on this:
I have previously unpaired Amy and Monty.
And in the post I am quoting, I am unpairing Amy with Renata (tho I know I have to resume reading the last 8 minutes so maybe I should shut up but no tbh).

That means, Amy can only be a wolf with Csargo, Taffy, HK, Kage.
Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.

Csargo, Taffy, HK.

I am town reading HK pretty strongly.

Csargo, Taffy.

I think Csargo is town due to ladd and Dya already being on Ender. HOWEVER I can see why wolves would commit 3 wolves on 1 town wagon in hopes to save Amy, but that doesnt fit the timeline of votes (and Amy's wagon rising in votes). It also doesnt fit with occam's razors. Ladd and Dya are competent wolves. Idk who Csargo is, but he seems to be competent as a player. It is better to have at least 1 more wolf on the other town wagon (Logic). Otherwise wolves are boxed in. This makes Csargo also unlikely.

So based on process of elimination, if Amy is a wolf, she can only be with Taffy.
Which would make the wagons Town vs Scum vs Town. With 2 wolves on each town wagon.

Lets see what transpires in the last 8 minutes tbh

I'm wondering why three wolves would pile on to save Amy who's really not been any kind of impactful, didn't show signs of being impactful, and generally was already scraping "disassociated wolf" reads from others in the thread. I feel like that would be antithetical to smart wolf play there. If someone not really contributing is getting sussed exerting effort like that to save them runs the risk of outing the whole team, yeah?

[hollowkatt]

in hindsight dya was a wolf being caught for the wrong reasons tbh

why do you say that?

[hollowkatt]

unflipped vs town vs town
confirmed scum on Ender and HK.
Dya has been pushing HK all day zzzz
bad look for taffy through wagonomics zzzzzzzz

I don't follow how it's a bad look for taffy via wagonomics?
I mean ok, that's a lie I have a theory but I want to hear yours first.