DYACHEI ASSOCIATIONS (D1-D2.5)


NB: Highlighted text represents what dyachei himself was doing/saying, to prevent confusion arising from my format. I may have been sloppier this time around. Also, this doesn't include late-D2 dyachei activity because I don't have time.


AMP

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#355/70: dya comments "i feel like exactly the people i would expect to be wolf read pre-rand are the ones people are most concerned about" and Csargo asks if they mean Logic and Ender. Dya say's Amy.

#453: amy probably a light v read. it's mostly based on tone. I expect I'll continue to be able to read her and update this as time goes on. Amy responds with "thanks boss i'm happy willing resigned to help."

#458: Amy thinks Pizza confidence is villagery. Dya recalls that Amy said the opposite before. Amy said that was in reference to a different aspect, not confidence in worldbuilding.

#509: Amy Cape Vulgard all light town.

#552: Amy to Vulgard: i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him
if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. Pizza calls this post "wrong but believable."

#745: Amy's reads: uhhh cape and vulgard are probably my strongest townreads. visor and hk maybe a tier below, both mostly off vibes. dya i don't want to kill before i can get a solid read on them, ladd/pizza i kinda just don't want to kill d1 in general

#809: i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform

#814: "dya probably shields me as either alignment here but i think she puts more effort into the read if they're wolfing here"

#824: In response to Renata's vote, "hello renata, i don't think we've ever met before but i think you entering thread and immediately jumping on ambient ampharos wagon momentum is a touch sketchy." Dya responds with "I didn't like when renata did that to logic"

#850: i mostly hate these wagons cuz i think logic and amy are v. Pizza comments on this in #1475 but hard to describe.

#918: Dya reads list responding to Pizza pressure includes Ender null but POE, Visor lackluster, and t-Vulgard. On Amy: "Amy read is based almost entirely on tone atp. I have played with her many times and have hydra'd with her. I think my read on her tends to be better than most people's read on her."

#1264: Amp reads post: "think my current gamestate perspective is, like. there's a big-ish pile of people that i was weakly townreading/nullreading yesterday, and i need to get a much better handle on them today, because i think the vast majority of wolves are in that pile. talking people like... dya boq hk kage. that's not a wolfreads list or even really the full suspects pool but i think i would be really, really surprised if there's not at least one in there."



BOQUISE

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#389: Dya greets Boq. Boq reciprocates.

#410/12/17/35/39/46/51: Dya complains about wall-posts and boq jibes "i gift you a weak scum lean tbh." Dya retorts that not liking wall-posts is not AI, but Boq feels "it is a sort of contribution i have seen wolves do tbh." Dya reminds him that he's seen townies do it too, but Boq believes that "yes but in general it is wolfy to whine about walls and do nothing else tbh because it is a super easy thing to do whilst you stay relevant in the thread conscious." Dya says that they haven't been doing nothing but whining about walls.

#419/38: Dya questions the validity (via Boq's approbation) of Pizza's suspicion of Vulgard's level of tilt; dya finds annoyance non-indicative and references own experience. Boq agrees but considers disproportionate annoyance scum-leaning in a vacuum. But Boq now wishes to rescind this impression of Vulgard as the latter has posted more.

#426: Boq tells Pizza he's rescinding the weak scum read on dya.

#603: Boq finds dya towny for persisting in the long exchange (see above) even though Boq rescinded the FoS already.

#719: After losing weak TL on Amp and voting her,
town reads:
cape, vulgard

town leans:
visor, dya, hk, luvs

#720: Dya immediately reacts to the above with "how did the thread react and what do you think about it?" [I don't understand what this means.] Boq says thread didn't react and discusses impressions of Kage, Logic, and Visor, concluding with light FoS on Kage. Logic finds this exchange scummy for dya in #736.

#1245-84: Boq quotes a Vulgard post to dya asking if that's the one they disliked. Dya acknowledges it, describing the Vulg post as "wolfy backtalk." But Boq finds it TWTBAW. Dya responds that she thinks Vulgard was caught in a lie. Boq still doesn't believe m-Vulgard would be "textbook wolfy."


CSARGO

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#344: Dya asks Csargo about Logic meta since Csargo is SRing Logic. Csargo doesn't know.

#355: dya comments "i feel like exactly the people i would expect to be wolf read pre-rand are the ones people are most concerned about" and Csargo asks if they mean Logic and Ender. Dya say's Amy.

#540: Responding to a Logic reads posts that has one sentence mentioning that dya being comfortable is scummy, Csargo says "I could see dya, don't get visor tho. I don't know anything about town dya though, I don't think." Logic in #676 finds reason to TR dya.

#659: To Vulgard lamenting a wasted day if Logic is town: If Logic's town we just yeet visor for funsies. prob dya as well. Csargo currently believes m-Logic and t/t Visor-dya.

#1328: In the middle of commentary responding to Taffy: "No idea what to make of the dya[-HK] back and forth."

#1446: Csargo questions dya's play: "A significant portion of dya's iso is either defending/explaining why logic/ampharos/vulgard are town. Is this normal? Does town Dya just defend their townreads a lot? Dya called cape and taffy v, but I didn't really see much else."


HOLLOW (HK)

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#839: "hey visor whats your read on hk?"

#852: "i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD". Pizza comments that this "can be distancing" on D2.

898: To Pizza's sketch of EOD wagons: "I'll be reading dya and boq today as I remember functionally nothing either of them said and both of them are extremely competent players on all sides of the alignment aisle"

#909: "I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable". Pizza responds to this with "Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?" See commentaries for dya's response. HK retorts "interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you." Dya puts off addressing that for IRL reasons.

#945-67: HK votes dya over her reads post #918 (see Amp subsection). In response dya asks HK "why are you so...calm...this game hk?" HK explains new meta in #952. Dya still doesn't like the lack of "villagery aggressiveness" and pushes. Further back and forth re: meta. Pizza find's dya's performance scummy for "hurdling."

#996: "if [Ender] a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket"

#1161: HK's shade of Pizza is "villagery read for early game."

#1419: HK votes Boq with the comment, "also dya is still on my chopping block today. Visor, Taffy, Ender, Cape, Csargo all probably not."


KAGE

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#1152: After reading D1 Kage offers his leans, with the following scummy (top to bottom): Monty dyachei Vulgard cape90 Hollowkatt [This is a common sweet spot to slot partners into]
Kage specifically found dya scummy for "(#751 second follow Ender)." This refers to her naked vote on Ender, third on the wagon, tieing with Logic. ["third vote is a wagon is scum" is an Old Gameroom superstition that Kage would be familiar with as an OG. On the other hand, ladd was clearly making a strategy around pushing Ender, one that dya was implementing, so this could also be Kage in on the deal.]

#1181: Renata questions Kage's case and vote on HK, and he responds: "Hollowkatt has so far voted ATGP, luv2spooge, dyachei and Visor, but i have not seen any attempt of case or building pressure against any of them"


MONTY


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#715: Dya tells Visor they didn't even realize I was in the game.

#1005: I ask dya about Amy (player Amy or daughter Amy?).

#1006: Reads: Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.



RENATA

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#812: Renata greets dya right after voting Amp for switching to TL Logic.

#833: Responding to Amp requesting details on her sus of her: You feel detached, like you're just kind of watching the thread go by without engaging much, and I didn't like your approach to Logic though I can't quite remember why. Dyachei's take on you is interesting(?) and I'm considering it

#922: Renata finds a Vulgard post unbelievable from townie POV and dya asks why. #929/30/34/39/43 for an inconclusive exchange.

#1115/31: Pace Pizza shading dya for hurdling (see HK subsection), Renata: "I liked Dyacheis little sus of me, felt like old times, and disappointed she?s not halfway into a death tunnel already. [...] I think Dyachei?s defense kind of spews Amy town if Dya isn?t." Pizza votes dya soon after. Visor approves of the comment on dya-Amy spew.

#1199: Renata asks dya to elaborate on their t-Vulgard case in the context of some Vulgard post. Dya delivers a hedgy Vulgard read in response. She then suddenly reverses outright and doesn't like Vulgard's posting anymore. [In retrospect, dya posting "Idk that it makes me think vulgard is a wolf, but I'm not reading him as villager as much" right after presenting a wall concluding that Vulgard is town was a tell, the exact same tell as with ladd.]

#1584: In response to Csargo questioning dya's play in #1446 (see Csargo subsection), Renata susses dya: "My main takeaway from playing with Dya back in the day was that they as town would go very aggro on me (as town) a lot. The closest I ever came to being a town-led mislynch on MU was due to a Dyachei death tunnel. I?m not used to them being so soft, either on me (they basically haven?t commented on me at all) and I do read it as wolfy."


TAFFY

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#907: From reads list ("People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on"): "Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little."

#1213: When Visor solicits reads on Taffy, dya says "gut says v." [This is very similar to ladd's scummy offhand D1 t-read of dya, a generalized scumtell.]

#1321: Taffy quotes a Vulgard reads post and asks for thoughts on dya, because until Taffy read that post she thought dya fit into many possible scumteams. [In two paragraphs the literally all of relevance Vulgard said was "Taffy is my top town" and "I think dya is town." This piggybacking by Taffy is bad right???

#1329: In connection with Cape finding dya completely out of scum range, and surprising if scum: "What is Dyachei like as a wolf that you're not seeing here?" Cape offers a long reply. Including their wall TRing Vulgard, even if the backtracking and some other behaviors are unusual for dya. Also: "I feel like dyachei's posts usually come off in their wolf game as a lot more mild with less actual effort put into them."


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VULGARD

mEH

ENDER

#977: Reads: Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

#1038: Reads: Csargo is an ehehhh with Dya/ladd/Kage just above.

meh.......





Commentary (D1): Dya first appears halfway through D1, fluffs with Vulgard, discusses bad feeling about Logic and null feeling about Pizza with Visor and Csargo.

In response to Csargo, dya mentions that Amy is her top pre-game concern. Agrees on Vulgard town with Visor.

Interactions with cape, leading to cape TRing dya.

During this time ladd, dya, Amp, and Boq, among others, are all active.

Of living players, Boq has potentially-performative exchanges with Amp and Boq. If either are AI, I think it's with Boq to a small-to-moderate extent.

Dya wishes they could read Ender better than null, judges Pizza to fit in both metas.

#659 decent for Csargo. Pizza approves as well.

Amy #745: uhhh cape and vulgard are probably my strongest townreads. visor and hk maybe a tier below, both mostly off vibes. dya i don't want to kill before i can get a solid read on them, ladd/pizza i kinda just don't want to kill d1 in general

Given that Amy basically replicated ladd's reads - or better to say ladd replicated her reads by early D2 (this quote is D1) - and he POEd her throughout his life, while dya's interactions on the surface feel like the most overtly associative and buddying of arguably any in the game, my feeling is that we see evidence of ladd-dya coordination around Amy but nothing really of Amy with ladd/dya. Amy displays no strategy vis-a-vis ladd and dya, despite the crumminess of her reads. The interactions do suggest the Mafia team were cultivating Amy as a mid-POE ML IMO, without Amy's input or participation. Even if we can't clear her because it's possible she was just open scumming with her team, it feels like a strange approach in combination with POEing her. Since if ladd gets m-Amy flipped before dya for bussing cred, it just draws attention to dya associatives and plausibly puts dya in the POE. Dya went out of their way to make assoc with Amy, including Rule of Three, and I believe it's antispew.

I think if Boq further flips scum, it's yet more evidence of a coordinated strategy of shaping perceptions around Amy without her inclusion. Like a patsy.


Commentary (D2):

Dya's response to Pizza shading their FoS on HK.

I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem

I think visor and ender are also in the POE

Vulgard and Amy are likely v
Dya-HK assoc, such as they were, look decent for him, like his slot is an afterthought to dya. Voting dya, then voting Boq while maintaining dya as a secondary and rejecting Ender and Visor as candidates D2 (#1419) is good, but it's negated by both starting and ending on Visor (Town MVP at that time).

Vulgard's reads in response to Pizza:

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

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Interesting comment to Visor, in retrospect indicating PIS (dya knew that Vulgard was town):

Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
if vulgard flips w, it clears pizza (not to mention having a wolf desperado is shitty)

if vulgard flips v, i dont think it changes much for me