Re: Casual december game
Eh I was bad and just did a reread of D1/D2 at work and I really can't see myself ever voting HK over Monty here.
Monty didn't have great interactions with either Dya or Ladd, and was mostly cleared because of strong D3 solving (which was all incorrect) and a ballsy callout post.
Comparatively, Kage and Dya both helped push HK into contention as a wagon and tried to wagon him 2 days in a row, and he had a good argument with Dya over meta too.
Like if that's distancing then well played.
Re: Casual december game
Paranoia eats me.
Why was I kept alive.
Re: Casual december game
HK seems to have very strong reasons for making the late game kills he did, reasons I could never have thought of because from my position they’re quite ridiculous.
Renata’s death was the first hint that town core was infiltrated. It was a solid kill relative to individuals in the POE at the time, but it's a red flag because if either Ender or HK were scum, by theory it wouldn’t do for one to kill the other because by LYLO they would stick out like a sore thumb. I forget the Mafia terminology, something like ‘Why are you still alive’ syndrome. Both have to be alive so the existence of one covers for the other. (Moreover, as it happened the town core stayed strong without tinfoil, so no extenuating factors were present to interfere with the kill chain.) So either m-HK or m-Ender were locked into only killing Renata and Csargo out of the core (preferably framing Csargo).
But killing Amp and sparing me, or killing Csargo over Ender, just to do me over at LYLO, that’s an infamia, the sign of someone rather cocky about their thread position.
Sheeping Ender onto Kage at EOD5, having voted Csargo - already beginning the attempt to break up the towncore from within - seems like a sign.
Clearly both Ender and HK were under some pressure from all the rest of the mafia at various points, Ender more so than HK. So the presence of distancing alone isn't a decisive factor.
But the EOD2 timeline
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
works best with m-HK. Into EOD Visor was putting Kage and dya under a lot of pressure, at which ladd intervened to defend them, as well as Taffy and HK. So dya switched to HK for distancing cred, since HK was under no threat compared to Ender and Visor. Meanwhile, HK was the vote ensuring that Visor died over Ender, since Visor was dangerous - SRing ladd and dya and getting there on Kage - while Ender was less so, and more limbait.
There you have it. Tell Rask if you accept my forfeit/hammer.
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Re: Casual december game
yeah I really told my pack to bus me from the word go or ignore me. I then drove buses over dya and kage and expected to end game when I have probably the most pelts of anyone this game. Seems like a great plan.
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They pressured you a whole lot less than Ender. I don't think you needed a plan after D3, being as deep as you were - other than to not kill Ender. Leaving me alive was kind of a cruel loose end as I said, though. Couldn't you have done it to Amy or something?
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Re: Casual december game
my momma always told me if I can't say anything nice to not say anything at all, but the way I see it is this:
You absolutely could not bring csargo with you because if you did you'd spew that he's town and he's the mistake you need to win the game. That's why ender and myself are here. Killing me means you've got to convince Ender the guy you've been hard pushing for the last two days is a wolf and why would csargo do that when he could bring me and ender instead?
Likewise killing Ender means you've brought me and csargo and I've been waffling on you for a couple of days. Sometimes town sometimes "why are you alive", which means you've got to convince me that csargo is the wolf, not you.
I know I'm not the wolf and I don't think Ender ever plays this game the way he has if he's the wolf. I'm rock solid in that read.
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Why is HK the wolf of us pair, why were you instantly on that Monty?
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