Casual december game

[EnderWiggin]

Why is HK the wolf of us pair, why were you instantly on that Monty?

[Montmorency]

my momma always told me if I can't say anything nice to not say anything at all, but the way I see it is this:
You absolutely could not bring csargo with you because if you did you'd spew that he's town and he's the mistake you need to win the game. That's why ender and myself are here. Killing me means you've got to convince Ender the guy you've been hard pushing for the last two days is a wolf and why would csargo do that when he could bring me and ender instead?

I had to kill Csargo to face the two living consensus locks who TR each other, because there's no way that Csargo as scum would have kept me alive, when instead he could face the - *checks notes* - two living consensus locks who TR each other?

which means you've got to convince me that csargo is the wolf, not you.

Would I rather try to convince you that Ender is scum, or Ender that you are scum?

See, your unusual way of calculating kills is the flaw in your plan.

Would you like to try again?

I was only pushing him D6 by the way; you started D5.

Why is HK the wolf of us pair, why were you instantly on that Monty?

It was certainly not instant, but you were always the lockediest-lock of players (other than Vulgard), and from my review of scum ISOs and wagonomics, you're solid.

[hollowkatt]

I had to kill Csargo to face the two living consensus locks who TR each other, because there's no way that Csargo as scum would have kept me alive, when instead he could face the - *checks notes* - two living consensus locks who TR each other?



Would I rather try to convince you that Ender is scum, or Ender that you are scum?

See, your unusual way of calculating kills is the flaw in your plan.

Would you like to try again?

I was only pushing him D6 by the way; you started D5.



It was certainly not instant, but you were always the lockediest-lock of players (other than Vulgard), and from my review of scum ISOs and wagonomics, you're solid.

Alex I'll take "Things Wolves Have to Say in F3 for 2000 dollars please"

[Montmorency]

You've had reason to be super-cocky about your slot since mid-game began, but I don't mess around like that. If I were scum, my F3 would have been Amy-Csargo or something like that.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm sorry Monty.

If HK is wolf then even when I'm reading him with the assumption he's wolf I'm struggling to see it.

HK's interactions with both Kage and Dya is on a whole different stage to any of the w/w interactions from any of the 3 flipped wolves.

They vote him to top wagon when Taffy is showing strong doubt of HK and trying to push him.

Like, if they decided to risk bussing HK hard on D2 and then have him go deep by flipping wolves when he didn't need to just

Idk

I lose to that I guess.

Locking my Vote to Monty

[EnderWiggin]

Even if I'm right this is not my best F3 tbh. I wanted to ask you both questions and thoughts but the approach of Christmas + me being sick as a dog has just left me with brief moments of sanity to reread.

I hope I'm right, but sorry if I'm not.

[Raskolnikov]

Monty (2): HK, Ender
HK (1): Monty

I am going to end the day earlier since it seems the game has come to an end.

[Raskolnikov]

1. @Visor
2. @Csargo
3. @hollowkatt
4. @Montmorency
5. @Ampharos
6. @luvs2spooge
7. @dyachei
8. @Askthepizzaguy
9. @EnderWiggin
10. @Cape90
11. @ladd
12. @Vulgard
13. @Boquise
14. @Logic
15. @Renata
16. @Totally not Taffy
17. @Kagemusha

Montmorency has been ousted! He was vanilla town!

Congratulation to the wolves, Dyachei, Ladd, Kagemusha, and hollowkatt (the lonewolf who never get to join the wc, but carried nonetheless) for winning this game.

Thanks everybody for playing, thanks Zack for the kind review and Visor for helping with flips.

Enjoy the holidays friendos, su in 2023 gamers

[Askthepizzaguy]

So in case it wasn't clear, I was keeping who I shot secret so that the wolves wouldn't be able to kill the desperado.

I communicated clearly with both Ender and Vulgard before I made the shot, and as soon as Vulgard knew why I had to set things up by crumbing how the person I shot needed to be able to solve it out, by receiving the desperado shot from me, he knew he probably survives the night as long as Ender doesn't die.

He got there on Ladd and shot a wolf.

I played the game tactically with the idea I can be wrong in the full forefront of my mind, to make certain the desperado shot gets used on a wolf even when I am wrong.

The second guessing and sniping at me for playing the role with the premise of preserving it even when wrong, and getting to day 2 in order to use it in the first place, calling it selfish and all kinds of trashy names while I couldn't respond, is much worse than me guessing wrong in a guessing game.

Thank you for the game Raskol, running this while also having a 2 shot vigilante power in a concurrent completed game meant that I had to choose 3 vigilante shots in early game without being nightkilled and the pressure of that absolutely destroyed my ability to be graceful under pressure.

I apologize.

I did my best, and whenever that isn't good enough for others, it's time to stop.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For these kinds of reasons, I never go to DVCs anymore.

People always shit on people for guessing wrong, sometimes they don't even wait that long.

Thanks everyone else for the game, good game wolves and HollowKatt, I tip my HollowHatt to you.

I missed all of you fine people if I havent seen you in ages.

Sorry I was stressed.

[Montmorency]

For these kinds of reasons, I never go to DVCs anymore.

People always shit on people for guessing wrong, sometimes they don't even wait that long.

Thanks everyone else for the game, good game wolves and HollowKatt, I tip my HollowHatt to you.

I missed all of you fine people if I havent seen you in ages.

Sorry I was stressed.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053838873

For game analysis purposes though, I would request some insight on this though.

I'm actually surprised Pizza never saw a single scummy post from ladd, when ladd spent a lot of time being passive-aggressive around Pizza and judging players on how they interacted with Pizza. Feels like this specifically breaks one of Pizza's stated rules, including as he himself described them D1.

Fun game btw Rask

[Totally not Taffy]

Thanks for the game everybody!

For these kinds of reasons, I never go to DVCs anymore.

People always shit on people for guessing wrong, sometimes they don't even wait that long.

fwiw my experience with this game's deadchat was quite the opposite of what you describe here. I didn't play particularly well, and I'm not anyone's long-term friend (in fact most people had never played with me before) but lots of them talked to me and all of those interactions were friendly, it was all very inclusive ❤️

[Montmorency]

Damn, HK was lost wolf? Extremely powerful role, basically SK, but by LYLO it wasn't difficult to confirm that Ender had all the town tells through associatives, VCA, tone, and NKs.

wp HK

Vulgard and Visor town MVP. I sucked as usual, though tbf HK was very difficult to find by exclusionary process with so many candidates.

Montmorency — 12/21/2022 7:10 PM
LYLO is going to end on the same page it begins with