Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[baudib1]

I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.

Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time

Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)

Rask - ladd peaked 100%

Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%

ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%

dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%

YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)

Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%

EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.

He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%

[Syn]

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

[Syn]

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

if he flips green though, everyone makes mistakes uwu

[Syn]

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

genius, I tell you

[Syn]

besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller

[baudib1]

besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller

It’s just automatically closer to your wolfrange than mine, I don’t play wolf this way.

But moreover I just think that your game has been multitudes less villagery than mine. I don’t really remember any thoughts you’ve had besides

D1:
stuff that kicked off the Syn-HK-Ender debacle
“Chopping Zelda is lame”

D2:
Kill Ender

D3:
Kill Ender

D4:
Killer Ender

Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.

[Syn]

Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.

FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.

I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.

Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.

[baudib1]

FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.

I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.

Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.

How did I try to give Ender an out? I’m not panicking, I’m trying to figure things out. I’m a little concerned that Yolo is not a wolf, and you’re the one who’s spent the whole day shading me.

[baudib1]

FTR, I just realized it came off this way, but I do not normally tend to overly SR people who sus me.

[YOLOSWAG]

I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.

Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time

Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)

Rask - ladd peaked 100%

Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%

ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%

dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%

YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)

Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%

EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.

He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

[YOLOSWAG]

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either

I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself

Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

[baudib1]

What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either

I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself

Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:

Yes, I feel I’ve been lazyish this game but ahem…Also I’m stoked right now because this game feels like a challenge and I want to run fking train on some wolves now.

I just wanted to get a snapshot of my thoughts out there.

[baudib1]

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

it?s within the realm of possibility and this is 2023, everyone is into elite anti-spew/distancing lines.

I?m pretty much a ?just lunch the wolfy people guy.?

On a theoretical level I think 3-wolf teams require some occasionally odd partner interaction lines. (I think Iaafr made this point in our game vs BATMan/Empoof etc)

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.

He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%

This is kinda reductive explanation of my play and ignores literally all the takes that I have that aren't "HK town" and spew reads.

Which is most of them. They also aren't meta reads. Or NK analysis. My townread on Ladd was kinda a meta read okay I'll give you that.

But my Syn wolf thoughts? None of the above.

My Raskol Townread? None of the above.

Legitimately tell me you haven't read half my posts without saying you haven't read half my posts.

[baudib1]

This is kinda reductive explanation of my play and ignores literally all the takes that I have that aren't "HK town" and spew reads.

Which is most of them. They also aren't meta reads. Or NK analysis. My townread on Ladd was kinda a meta read okay I'll give you that.

But my Syn wolf thoughts? None of the above.

My Raskol Townread? None of the above.

Legitimately tell me you haven't read half my posts without saying you haven't read half my posts.

Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.

The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?

Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.

[baudib1]

Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.

Hello wifom my old friend,

I've come to talk to you again.

[EnderWiggin]

Ngl this feels like a wolf!Baudib trying to bait me into keeping my focus on Syn linked to him where Syn is actually town and I'm being a chump you're using.

[EnderWiggin]

Cause this whole interaction feels entirely bait-y and that just doesn't make sense if Syn/You are actually the wolves.

[YOLOSWAG]

Also YOLO - I just left you as incomplete and I?m subject to being easily whelmed by your charisma and sick beats. Hit me up with a non-lazy read on me if you will.

I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill

I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.

I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster

[baudib1]

I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill

I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.

I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster

You’re the player in this game who probably has the best feel for what wolf!Baud does do maybe you can tell the crowd that.

[Raskolnikov]

I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill

I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.

I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster

I don't think I am missunderstanding what he posted here baudib. Sure he just didn't came in the thread saying "Visor/Ladd outed lolz kills". While it's subtil and convoluted, the thought is there.

[YOLOSWAG]

Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.

I know you're being trolly but Ender very strong villager, we just got done a game where he had some fire reads

[EnderWiggin]

Oh hey, Yolo can even verify I actually make NKA as town cause I literally just did that.

And Ladd can too but idk if he paid attention to the game after his death.

[baudib1]

I know you're being trolly but Ender very strong villager, we just got done a game where he had some fire reads

Fair enough bub, I’m not trying to stifle your V!game but it feels like Baud-Ender is an inevitable tdome if I’m being honest.

[EnderWiggin]

Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.

The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?

Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.

My point was I had that townread before everything else.

The big ass townread on Rask is why I sat my ass down and ended up voting Pzelda.

Re: No one else talking about how weird the night kills are.

Who the fuck cares.

I'm not going into thread and looking around and seeing if anyone else is caring about the night kills.

I do.

Because in champs I got away with literally killing every person who sussed me in G1 to win as wolf almost in cruising fashion with DK. And no one questioned it.

I was towncored but didn't die. And no one questioned it.

Yes. NKA is wifom and wolves play the gamut of how much people care about it, and I'll definitely admit I can be tricked by it. But also ignoring it can be straight up letting wolves silence people they don't want talking for any reason.

[baudib1]

My point was I had that townread before everything else.

The big ass townread on Rask is why I sat my ass down and ended up voting Pzelda.

Re: No one else talking about how weird the night kills are.

Who the fuck cares.

I'm not going into thread and looking around and seeing if anyone else is caring about the night kills.

I do.

Because in champs I got away with literally killing every person who sussed me in G1 to win as wolf almost in cruising fashion with DK. And no one questioned it.

I was towncored but didn't die. And no one questioned it.

Yes. NKA is wifom and wolves play the gamut of how much people care about it, and I'll definitely admit I can be tricked by it. But also ignoring it can be straight up letting wolves silence people they don't want talking for any reason.

It’s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it’s probably 90%+ my fault.

What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you’re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.

I’ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.

And sure there’s confbias in what I’m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about “towncore” to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we’re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.

[EnderWiggin]

It’s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it’s probably 90%+ my fault.

What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you’re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.

I’ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.

And sure there’s confbias in what I’m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about “towncore” to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we’re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.

Would be really sad if I follow "Towncore is infiltrated" with "But Ladd is still probably a villager" wouldn't it?

Oh wait.

[baudib1]

Would be really sad if I follow "Towncore is infiltrated" with "But Ladd is still probably a villager" wouldn't it?

Oh wait.

Right. So this is where I will need you to detail who you think the weird Nks point to that aren’t ladd. I am fully capable of making weird kills for specific reasons but not these (Yolo might weigh in here).

[YOLOSWAG]

@ YOLO wolf readers, if you're a villa

plz go read pzelda's post on me and grasp that his "I like YOLO's reads and will be giving them credence" post was low-level wolfing attempting to pocket a villager 101 and stop overthinking this because I peaced on a vacuous D2 and don't feel like sifting thru shitty misreads on a spewed villager versus wolfy POEing

Thanks

Going to sleep, will be present tomorrow