Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Raskolnikov]

Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.

The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?

[Syn]

The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?

"he's being lazy and coasting on a hyper tunnel of me"

[YOLOSWAG]

I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.

Can't believe we lost because that dumbass stopped my vig

I am going to win this one in its stead

[Raskolnikov]

I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.

WHy

[baudib1]

I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.

Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time

Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)

Rask - ladd peaked 100%

Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%

ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%

dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%

YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)

Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%

EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.

He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%

[Syn]

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

[Syn]

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

if he flips green though, everyone makes mistakes uwu

[baudib1]

FTR, I just realized it came off this way, but I do not normally tend to overly SR people who sus me.

[hollowkatt]

that's a different argument tho

I didn't argue your skill level, I argued against the claim that raskol is just some ineffectual chump who has no chance of influencing the game state in a way that threatens the wolves

you have enough experience and context to know that isn't true by any stretch

unless you made a TMI slip

Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.

Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.

These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.

None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.

[Ephemeral]

Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.

Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.

These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.

None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.

idk man it kinda feels like you're doing this on purpose

you have read the OP didn't you?

[baudib1]

Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.

Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.

These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.

None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.

Logic was poisoned by town, like......


derp-clear denied

[baudib1]

you play like you're the smartest person in the thread. why can't ender just have a read and stick with it?

nah it's more like I have an overabundance of villager entitlement. He can have his read but it's just not going to impact my view of you at all.

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah nvm the derps. HK, who are the wolf I am not threatening (outside baudib)? Is this you outing a real sus?

[Raskolnikov]

*is. For real I despise my phone and my English level

[Raskolnikov]

Baudib, this is where I am roughly. Outside Ender who I found more selfaware/pockety each time I ve seen him wolfing.

[Raskolnikov]

Disclaimer: punting Visor will be a slog so I am keeping this for eod. No need to go through it for 48 hours

[baudib1]

Baudib, this is where I am roughly. Outside Ender who I found more selfaware/pockety each time I ve seen him wolfing.

is this referring to my readslist?

[Raskolnikov]

is this referring to my readslist?

Yes.

[YOLOSWAG]

Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.

I read it over

I dunno, I was kinda finding his pushing of you/dyachei villagery in possibly a contrarian villager way, as some people were dialoguing about how you might be a villager after you got some pushback to start then Syn just comes in like nah fuck that + the dyachei sus

It's not a ride or die read but ya thinking aloud about the mindset here

[Raskolnikov]

U remind me Id like to read Syn about that Dya read. What did start it? Is is still a thing etc etc

[YOLOSWAG]

I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.

Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time

Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)

Rask - ladd peaked 100%

Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%

ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%

dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%

Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%

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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%

YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)

Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%

EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.

He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

[baudib1]

I guess my lukewarm take is that I will acknowledge that the NKs are off obvious paths but these were players who are pretty unyeetable as town.

And there’s a player at the bottom of my tiered list who is really into talking about the NKs and why they’re incriminating for towncore.

And that’s while acknowledging that I feel I could very well be wrong somewhere in my upper echelon.

For a slightly hotter take, the people pushing me are people who don’t know me and don’t know how unyeetable I am - I’m miskilled maybe 1 in 30 games. So if taking the hard to yeet players off the table is the wolf strategy it points to people who don’t know me.

[YOLOSWAG]

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either

I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself

Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

[baudib1]

Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?

it?s within the realm of possibility and this is 2023, everyone is into elite anti-spew/distancing lines.

I?m pretty much a ?just lunch the wolfy people guy.?

On a theoretical level I think 3-wolf teams require some occasionally odd partner interaction lines. (I think Iaafr made this point in our game vs BATMan/Empoof etc)

[Syn]

U remind me Id like to read Syn about that Dya read. What did start it? Is is still a thing etc etc

i never commented further on it

it was a salty d1 kneejerk read in response to dya absolutely HOSING me in humiliating fashion on the syndicate a while ago, and their posting being similar to that game

i mean I'm not impressed with their posting here, but it's more of an eh read than a strong read

I'm not sure I want them as a wagon anymore

[baudib1]

What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either

I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself

Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:

Yes, I feel I’ve been lazyish this game but ahem…Also I’m stoked right now because this game feels like a challenge and I want to run fking train on some wolves now.

I just wanted to get a snapshot of my thoughts out there.

[baudib1]

i never commented further on it

it was a salty d1 kneejerk read in response to dya absolutely HOSING me in humiliating fashion on the syndicate a while ago, and their posting being similar to that game

i mean I'm not impressed with their posting here, but it's more of an eh read than a strong read

I'm not sure I want them as a wagon anymore

Me, you and dya are yeeting Ender, ok?

[baudib1]

Yolo - I actually don’t remember the manner in which you village too well. But I want to reiterate what should be obvious - the words of a wolf who was literally dead on arrival should mostly be ignored. I’ll trust dyachei’s spew reading and basically no one else’s.

[baudib1]

Also YOLO - I just left you as incomplete and I’m subject to being easily whelmed by your charisma and sick beats. Hit me up with a non-lazy read on me if you will.

[YOLOSWAG]

Yolo - I actually don?t remember the manner in which you village too well. But I want to reiterate what should be obvious - the words of a wolf who was literally dead on arrival should mostly be ignored. I?ll trust dyachei?s spew reading and basically no one else?s.

I mean if he was dead on arrival -- which I agree with -- it seems you're placing a lot of weight and emphasis on V reading people largely just for burying him

FWIW I would have bussed pzelda after his first post and think a lot of people would have, easy gamestate read ['this dude won't make it past D1/D2'] on which to move for any decent wolf

Don't mean to be overly nitpicky but am just wanting open-mindedness in the thread rn instead of shrugyeeting HK/Ender into D5