Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Syn]

insert really smiley from mu here

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

EnderWiggin 4 Syn dyachei Visor baudib
hollowkatt 3 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin



MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/8/23

[ladd]

Maybe i am just being silly and its ender/hk

I dunno

[ladd]

I also realized we can lunch all of hk/eph/yolo/ender in wcs so we ll prob be fine anyway

And if we hit a wolf here we also have a peek

[Raskolnikov]

I honnestly dont understand Visors cute fake claim. My mum hard disagrees with it too fwiw. I am at the doc, will have to think this through after.

[Syn]

I honnestly dont understand Visors cute fake claim. My mum hard disagrees with it too fwiw. I am at the doc, will have to think this through after.

we're very sorry mr raskolnikov but we're diagnosing you with terminal wolf disease

[Syn]

also ladd tell me why I'm a villager because wisdom was killed n1

[Syn]

hollowkatt is town because I ate a monte cristo sandwich today

[EnderWiggin]

I officially do not want to end this day on the fallback cromulent HK lunch.

I want to bust this game open and make people put real skin in the game.
No coasting.

I agree.

And I see I'm the only other wagon currently that's close to anything so I'm going to assume I'm the wagon for today.

Meh.

I'll try to get some solving for y'all to parse.

(Also sorry for the gap, last night was rough and been in training all of today.)

[EnderWiggin]

I really dont think ender/hk is the team fwiw

Will be back later

This is kind of an example of what I mean by Ladd not feeling like the wolf I saw last time we played together. (Knowingly played together lol.)

Previous game Ladd Wolf leveraged any chance he hadd for a wagon on a towny who had put foot in mouth.

In fact he leveraged exactly the fact that I can have some awkward D1's against me last time, but the fact that he's the voice of sorta reason on me, and is actively sticking out for me, is kinda in reverse of his wolf M.O?

Like I wouldn't necessarily scumread him for going after me again, half the players alive have done it =P

[EnderWiggin]

In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.

If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.

However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).

I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)

For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.

I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.

We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.

This turns from a cromulent started thought process into a weird self-meta. I don't like it.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to flat out say that I don't get how not understanding that we were just clicking buttons to watch a few seconds of potential chaos before going back to Zelda comes from a town mindset but eh.

who were those people again?

Me at the very least.

I don't see how that particularly is supposed to be something to wolf read though.

[ladd]

also ladd tell me why I'm a villager because wisdom was killed n1

You were wisdom top villager (or close to it)

Pretty simple

[EnderWiggin]

My vote is on HK in spirit but I?m trying to pretend this lunch wasn?t predetermined 3 phases ago

Out of curiosity, why did you defend my reads citing my accuracy from the Anon game then post this sussing one of the players I legit think is town?

And unless I've missed something, you haven't engaged me in the slightest bit about my read?

[EnderWiggin]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it?s exactly Ender-HK, I don?t think there?s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don?t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn?t seem as agenda-y to me. I don?t think that?s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he?s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it?s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn?t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I?m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor?s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It?s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I?m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he?s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don?t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

The current thread is boringly stagnant. People are happy with the POE because the POE isn't wolves.

Like legit unless you somehow believe HK/me are wolves who managed to literally construct the cage around ourselves then you have to wonder... why are wolves content with us two being pinned down and stabbed with spears?

[EnderWiggin]

Meh. Baudib's willingness to actually level with me on the possibility of wolves external to the central 2 POE is actually pretty villagery.

[EnderWiggin]

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

Being first to slam Pzelda's posts is kinda a good look imo.

[ladd]

Meh. Baudib's willingness to actually level with me on the possibility of wolves external to the central 2 POE is actually pretty villagery.

Then who are the wolves?

Ignore zelda spew for a second-are hk s posts wolfy or villagery?

[EnderWiggin]

Then who are the wolves?

Ignore zelda spew for a second-are hk s posts wolfy or villagery?

In a vacuum I'd say wolfy, I said as much on D1.

As for who the wolves are, I think I'm primed into Syn having to be wolf for the game to make sense fmpov? I'll catch up and then I'll do review and answer this more clearly. I'm here for the next 3ish hours with the intent to leave behind a good legacy.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin look Syn thinks I?m saving you.

Baudib is definitely not saving me. He's waiting to bus at the last second.

[EnderWiggin]

Btw dya made some posts earlier today that really reinforced my V read on them

dya, Rask, and baudi in my top tier of towniness

(and happy birthday to the little one, such a precious time in life)

You wanna actually point them out or just wave your hand on it?

[Visor]

This turns from a cromulent started thought process into a weird self-meta. I don't like it.

do go on

[Raskolnikov]

ive been debating about this for a while, but i figure given its d3 and possible one if not both pr shots have been used up and even if i do get pr shot we don't lose any lynches

im gonna hardclaim motion detector

i have no useful results (and don't see the point of telling yall what results i have anyway because no need to narrow the joat down for wolves)

but figure this might help a little, i dunno

Coming back to this because I am actually hallucinating.

This is a straight lose for town, a straight win for the wolves:

- we do not loose lynches but we do potentially loose 2 peeks after the next wolf flip (it's safe to assume wolves aren't idiots and the PK was carrying the NK so far)
- you position yourself for a potential doc save tonight, using up his potential last shot for nothing since wolves can just target you with the NK in addition to the PK power.
- doing so you encourage him to claim, making him a prime target for the PK, effectively doubling wolves KP.


I mean I am at loss with this move if you are villa Visor. It's pure nonsense. I cannot even picture which mental state from villa!you could explain this claim. It's not like you are anywhere near potential chop status. Baudib and I were memeing but that's about it.

@JOAT: you never ever protect Visor here. You never ever claim.

Now I will go and see if I have to actually work for your lynch toDay, because this is throwing me out hard. And MY MUM IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOU, LIKE AT ALL.

[Visor]

Coming back to this because I am actually hallucinating.

This is a straight lose for town, a straight win for the wolves:

- we do not loose lynches but we do potentially loose 2 peeks after the next wolf flip (it's safe to assume wolves aren't idiots and the PK was carrying the NK so far)
- you position yourself for a potential doc save tonight, using up his potential last shot for nothing since wolves can just target you with the NK in addition to the PK power.
- doing so you encourage him to claim, making him a prime target for the PK, effectively doubling wolves KP.


I mean I am at loss with this move if you are villa Visor. It's pure nonsense. I cannot even picture which mental state from villa!you could explain this claim. It's not like you are anywhere near potential chop status. Baudib and I were memeing but that's about it.

@JOAT: you never ever protect Visor here. You never ever claim.

Now I will go and see if I have to actually work for your lynch toDay, because this is throwing me out hard. And MY MUM IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOU, LIKE AT ALL.

what lol? i claimed to DRAW the pr kill

i was in a perfect position to claim, i was townread, i was never going to be lynched so wolves would not have suspected it was a fake claim

for some ungodly reason baudib decided to cc me (which was also incredibly stupid if he is telling the truth because you just let me die lol jfc, even if you think its a low percentage change, its still A CHANCE)

wolves would either a) have already known im not a pr thanks to using the pr kill on me, or b) would use the pr kill on me and waste one if they have one

idk if you just don't understand the point of fake claiming in this setup but its incredibly powerful

(its also entirely possible the joat has already used up the doc, but the whole point is wasting a pr kill)

[EnderWiggin]

Something about the HK/Ender interactions are off as hell

This is "no shit sherlock" tier but the way they came out today both pushing baudi who I think is obvious town and the way they're like mutually townreading each other feels off, like there is some weird pocketing shit going on

@ ender

Can you link/detail more on your reasons for sussing baudi? Like it seems you think town is completely wrong rn, what makes baudi the "wolf in towncore" wolf for you?

Well, voted there yesterday to support HK because SK's EOD felt good and wanted to try getting something else going.

Voted today because the way Baudib was treating me originally made me sus.

[EnderWiggin]

I have a distinct feeling from the last few posts I should catch up fast.

[Raskolnikov]

what lol? i claimed to DRAW the pr kill

i was in a perfect position to claim, i was townread, i was never going to be lynched so wolves would not have suspected it was a fake claim

for some ungodly reason baudib decided to cc me (which was also incredibly stupid if he is telling the truth because you just let me die lol jfc, even if you think its a low percentage change, its still A CHANCE)

wolves would either a) have already known im not a pr thanks to using the pr kill on me, or b) would use the pr kill on me and waste one if they have one

idk if you just don't understand the point of fake claiming in this setup but its incredibly powerful

(its also entirely possible the joat has already used up the doc, but the whole point is wasting a pr kill)

I do not think it's a fake claim.

[Visor]

to be clear, i hold no responsibility for baudib claiming

it should be obvious that CCing a clear villager faking for you is pure stupidity

(its basic turbo mechanics baudib lol)

i fail to see the downside of doing what i did

if the wolves for some ungodly reason decide to stack both kills on me (which is stupid af, but you suggested it), they lose a PR kill and kill a vanillager. if the joat saves me, great but if i die i have already achieved my outcome which to ENSURE that our prs last another day

the joat has either used their doc already, or can easily save it for another night, especially with the wifom around my claim

also, if either ender or hollowkatt (or both!) are wolves, i take away the potential for them to fakeclaim MD (if one of them is village MD they could obv just counter and that would be FANTASTIC INFO TO HAVE).

like what is the fuckin downside lol

at worst case, it trades the doc shot to stop the possibility of wolves taking away a lynch, while also keeping both prs safer than they would otherwise be

[Visor]

I do not think it's a fake claim.

neither do i

i think baudib just assumed wolves werent going to buy it (bad) and claimed anyway (REALLY BAD)

if you want to be upset at anyone, be upset at baudib for making a suboptimal mechanical play

like cmon what the fuck is the point of CCing me there its stupid

you stay quiet, let me eat the nk/pr kill whatever

i die a hero, the rest of you have to play ww

[Raskolnikov]

I clearly see the dowwnside of your last two posts though.

But it's OK, since your claim is real while baudib's was laughable