Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Visor]

yolo where are you at rn on reads?

can you give an ordered reads list?

[dyachei]

yolo where are you at rn on reads?

can you give an ordered reads list?

do you have one?

[YOLOSWAG]

I'm starting to lose focus and might just finish this reread tomorrow, I'm halfway through the game and if I force myself to keep going I'm hitting the point where my eyes begin to glaze over, dumping these notes as is

baudib1

Really engaged throughout the whole game. There is a part early in the game where he votes HK, then comes back to the thread an hour later and votes Syn saying "changed my mind." This does not sound convincing in text but in context, felt like a villager who threw out a vote, thought more about how another player could be a wolf, then came back to vote the other player. Little beats like that ring more to me as a villager, it's the thoughtfulness behind the action and wanting to impact the gamestate with his follow-through

Vote for logic

Has a post asking pzelda to vote logic, idfk

Problem with baudi is that I feel he overextends on some of his susses/statements but I'm not sure if wolfy or just bored villa trying to make things happen, leaning v

ender

Came into the game voting HK and townreading me, baudib and Rask. I sometimes see wolves make these kinds of entrances on all villas. Posted this in response to Rask:

Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

Visor I think, maybe considering a heel turn on my ladd read tbh, I wanted Yolo and you to be town and you probably both are which means maybe it started pure.

Although at most one of the above cause I doubt both wolves would jump onto the defense.

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

IDK what this means but quoting for contemplations' sake later on anyway

Has a full on case here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053841164

Ephemeral

Wolfy AF

Visor

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

suspiciously timed LOL

:really:

Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

why can't we be villagers who think that pzelda is independently wolfy from hk

i don't care about interactions

Okay I have had two people tell me I'm off regarding the timing of the wagon. I'mma be back after I double-check this.

you're basically saying the fact there is a counter wagon to the wagon you like is wolfy lol

"Oh man, I caught a wolf."

"Why are people building another wagon???"

wat

this is ww bronana, people build multiple wagons

you're telling me you honestly think that a counter wagon to a wagon you like is wolfy?

you've been in hundreds of ww games, of which pretty much all have multiple wagons d1

man i don't know what to make of any of your posts on this page lol

i mean i don't even disagree with you that i think hk is wolfy

i just have thoughts on other slots too and hkatt has gotten plenty of attention this game already

Inclined to believe Visor's tone toward Ender here -- the conviction behind the push and the "bronana what are you doing" air to it feels real, also thinking Ender has a scrambling energy behind these posts that don't read partnered

This last post of "I don't even disagree with you that I think hk is wolfy" reads pure, can't put into words why but feels towny

Syn

A lot of their posts look good in context/real-time, he posted this after ender's wild 180 on capage:

chief wiggin kinda wolfy

yolo town

Had an early game sus of dyachei, notating this cuz he was the only one to do so

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
EnderWiggin 2 Syn hollowkatt
Ladd 2 Wisdom pzelda
Logic 1 baudib1



Think this is correct.

EOD in approx 2 hours.

:00 good
:01 bad

chopping pzelda is so lame

I don't know if he makes this post as a bro

Lots of Syn posts feel alright in realtime, dang. SOD2 opener:

nvm chopping pzelda is totally awesome

ok fine

vote: EnderWiggin

hm

dyachei

Had some reasonable posts D1, don't have much to say they're just fine

So i want to read pzelda spew and see what I can glean from it. Kind of think some of the interactions already talked about point to logic being v even though I still hate his read on me (because it's wolfy)

I don't think hk is excluded from being a wolfbro like ender seems to think. I have seen wolves come in and defend partners/give them weird v reads when they are getting dogpiled

[YOLOSWAG]

yolo where are you at rn on reads?

can you give an ordered reads list?

I don't know

I've V read Syn/dya/baudi pretty comfortably throughout the game, I've had you as null but admit the spew looks favorable

I'm at the point of the game where more ender sus starts flying around including Syn's longform push on him, I'll have to see if that brings anything to mind tomorrow but ngl last wolf feels like a crapshoot atm

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

enderwiggin 1 Syn





MAJ is in effect and is 5
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/11/23

[baudib1]

the more baudib gets concerned about that f3, the more i think he's ender's remaining partner

that's the only situation where we lose. All other universes are a win. So I want feedback from the living players now.

[baudib1]

@Visor @dyachei

talk to each other imo

[baudib1]

In the worlds where Yolo is a villager, wolves have 0 PR shots

Ender lunch
Ladd nk

5-1
Yolo (mis)lunch
Ephemeral nk

3-1 with Visor, Baud, Dya, Syn
sleep
Visor nk

2-1
Baud, Dya, Syn

In the worlds where Yolo is a villager, wolves have 1 PR shot

Ender lunch
Ladd nk
Ephemeral kill

4-1
Yolo (mis)lunch
Visor nk

2-1
Baud, Dya, Syn

[baudib1]

Yolo are there others cases where Zelda/Ender are buttering up a villager? Because I don't see any off a power skim.

[YOLOSWAG]

ender spent time trying to pocket HK, I don?t remember what he was doing towards whom outside of that

Beyond that, pzelda made like 10 posts and got bodied, he didn?t have a chance to really wolf beyond his entrance

ender came in with V reads of you, me and some other dude I?m forgetting ? he was V reading me before that post you pointed out

They just saw an expressive villager and did the ?force an early V read on a villager? thing

[baudib1]

Zelda doesn't seem to like anyone else's reads though.

[baudib1]

Well whoever the wolf is, good for you but it's like, I clearly outposted and outworked them the past few days.

If it's Yolo I called him out every day to do more and he tried to derail my push on Ender. Due diligence is fine and all but if you're a villager you don't seem to have much conviction on who you think the last wolf is, and ISOing Dya/Visor seems like busy work.

If it's Syn, I called him out for his first two posts and his game is generally been pretty coasty. You see a similar style in plenty of games where wolves hellbus a partner and then just live off that cred for days. And they're doing approximately nothing today.

I have pretty much laid out the case on myself and those will be the same arguments I make later in the game. No one seems to really have a reaction to my posts today, but I feel pretty confident that whoever the last villager(s) alive with me should be able to get there.

[ladd]

Just popping in to say ill be around and read what i can in 8ish hours

[Syn]

VOTE TALLY

enderwiggin 1 Syn





MAJ is in effect and is 5
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/11/23

i am thriving

[Syn]

If it's Syn, I called him out for his first two posts and his game is generally been pretty coasty. You see a similar style in plenty of games where wolves hellbus a partner and then just live off that cred for days. And they're doing approximately nothing today.

there's nothing for me to do

I don't care about any of these conversations

[Syn]

ngl it's kind of funny that ever since I said "this is in my wolf range" that it's become the primary case against me (re: hellbussing a partner all game and riding off that cred)

[Syn]

I'm not answering your "let's railroad Syn now" posts, sorry. Do what you like. I won't help you do it.

I should have listened to you, syn of the past

[Syn]

OH THAT REMINDS ME

[Syn]

it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius

genius, I tell you

[Syn]

besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller

[baudib1]

besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller

It’s just automatically closer to your wolfrange than mine, I don’t play wolf this way.

But moreover I just think that your game has been multitudes less villagery than mine. I don’t really remember any thoughts you’ve had besides

D1:
stuff that kicked off the Syn-HK-Ender debacle
“Chopping Zelda is lame”

D2:
Kill Ender

D3:
Kill Ender

D4:
Killer Ender

Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.

[Syn]

Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.

FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.

I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.

Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.

[baudib1]

FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.

I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.

Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.

How did I try to give Ender an out? I’m not panicking, I’m trying to figure things out. I’m a little concerned that Yolo is not a wolf, and you’re the one who’s spent the whole day shading me.

[ladd]

i am re skimming all the game real quick since isos only go back to 100 posts

if zelda flips wolf i might punt logic into the sun tbh lol

you remember what was the connection here?

[ladd]

gonna stop mid d2 and will pick it back up later

gonna reserve posting all my thoughts until i am done with re read but i think dya is almost ~never a wolf and am perfectly comfortable with this read

[Visor]

i am re skimming all the game real quick since isos only go back to 100 posts



you remember what was the connection here?

just thought logics push on zelda was the kind of rubbish he did in the recent game

[Visor]

Vote: Ender

in case the wolves have 2 shots left

i still think its yolo, though obv do your own due diligence etc

glglgl

[dyachei]

i want ladd to have time so im not gonna vote rn, but i dont think there's a ton left for me to do today

[Syn]

i want ladd to have time so im not gonna vote rn, but i dont think there's a ton left for me to do today

raskolnikov's ghost has entered the thread

[ladd]

Ill be here to try to finish re read in 3ish hours but idk if ill manage to get it all done