Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[baudib1]

I’m rereading D1 and my hit take is that Yolo’s posts other than the one I called out are pretty villagery and I agree (with Dya’s D3 take) that he doesn’t really look aligned with PZelda other than the fact that Zelda/Ender both complimented that YOLO post that I didn’t like.

He called out SK’s entrance as really wolfy which was an objectively fair comment. I think Yolo’s post D1 comments about Ender are problematic.

I don’t remember but I guess I wasn’t in the thread when Ender was making the posts about the Zelda wagon suspiciously popping up when HK was taking heat. There is something about Ender’s writing that just makes my eyes glaze over and sometimes I realize that’s a wolf tell instantly; there were two times that I completely misunderstood the context of his posts. One was when he gave himself a small townlean and didn’t realize it was a joke and another time he said I was a wolf candidate and thought he was saying I was a villager.

I was and still am completely baffled by stuff like HK’s constant derping and Logic reading Visor off his thanking of posts.

[dyachei]

I'm pretty set on yolo today but I want to go through syn's ISO as part of what I do today

[baudib1]

I’m wondering where I acquire LF a V read on Sun because I voted him off his opener, switched to HK and then back to Syn.

[dyachei]

fun fact, I didn't realize you could press on the person's post counts to get the last 100 posts and have been clicking on their names instead to go through all their recent posts. I'm pretty sure it gives more than the last 100 posts

[dyachei]

not too impressed with the opening posts from syn. I understand the HK suspicion. seemed like there was some shade on people w reading pzelda but also syn does w read them a bit too. Not sure if it was serious or joking on the latter though.

Starts w reading me, then adds ender. I think the ender part is good because i dont think he was being talked about that much. Not a fan of his read on me, but dont really know the reasons as syn didnt provide them. starts defending hk later and with reasons so that's pretty decent.

shades elimming pzelda - calls it "so lame" and votes logic.

d2 starts and he votes ender and tries to get others to vote there too. At this time there were very few people actually sussing ender.

you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.

why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing

it happens in almost every single game

meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.

nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"

but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further

think this is a very good post in response to ender

doubly weird when you bragged earlier in the game that you have unlimited range as a wolf, so "I would never do this as a wolf" is just a pretty boring lie

this one, too. Syn isn't holding much back wrt ender.

why is "know me well" in quotes and when did I even say I knew you well?

why would I do this anyway

one man's "stupid WIFOM" is another man's "good risk"

this doesn't really feel w/w but i guess it could be

you already made this argument d2 and then ISO'd me and went "woopsies! he never said this! how silly!"

also I wouldn't entirely call posting "chopping pzelda is lame" and then saying nothing else about it for the rest of the cycle to be "trying to swag the wagon"

this, too. I don't think that a wolf bro would be like you were shading the zelda wagon and it seemed like ender was trying to get syn to go over.

the glimpses of solving that I see syn do from time to time feel genuine - like when he was talking to baudib about yolo.

does move away from wanting me dead and starts to look at baudib

when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post

and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself

but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere

even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender

his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else.

I really like this post from syn

he continually wants ender dead the whole time ender is alive. His poe is basically yolo/baudib when ender is revealed to have a red check.

so in conclusion, I dont really like how he treated the pzelda wagon. But I do like his "tunnel" against ender and I think that ender's case against syn kind of spews him. I'm kind of torn on if baudib is wolfier or villagier than syn

[dyachei]

I'm ride or die with ephem and visor though, even if visor is doubting how obviously villager I am this game.

[dyachei]

@Visor

can you go through why baudib is almost lock villager for you?

[YOLOSWAG]

Yeah when I read over Syn’s interactions with ender I was inclined to think unpartnered

Really not sure who tf last wolf is

[Ephemeral]

gonna be very sparsely around till later tomorrow

glad we've got 2 shots and lolwolves

[dyachei]

gonna be very sparsely around till later tomorrow

glad we've got 2 shots and lolwolves

i want to give you time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on remaining players and the like

[Ephemeral]

@Ephemeral

Ayo.

I?ma need you to completely buck consensus, rise to greatness and find me for a win.

Post #2022 is my reasoning for why Syn/dya holds last wolf. We can?t get to a Visor world today and I?m sticking to baudi town at this point, we have 2 lunches and I think Syn/dya wins. I?m going to go into more detail on that tell and why it comes from a wolf after work but yeah.

You have to realize that most of the reasons given on me being a wolf have nothing to do with alignment ? the tell I posted does. Again I?ll expand after work.

imo the thing you've described in that post is a bit eh

i've said similar things to dya on several occasions as a villager

looking forward to you expanding on it though

also not sure how most of the reasons given on you have nothing to do with alignment?

[Ephemeral]

the world where baudib is a wolf is probably one where he is specifically pandering to me

the world where syn is a wolf he just rode the ender bus and yoloed

the world where dya is a wolf they just kept in the background and relied on others to read them as villagery

idk, would appreciate some thoughts @Ephemeral

pending a reread of a few isos not much changed for me yet other than maaaybe considering syn a bit more likely than baudib?

I've had several potential hangups with baudib but over time I've come around to thinking they're pretty reachy and don't really outweigh the positives

which isn't to say they can't be correct obviously but it feels a tad scuffed to claim he's more likely a wolf than syn who imho doesn't actually have that much going for him, sure the entire fiasco with ender would be a pretty wild bus but stranger shit has happened in ww games lol

i didn't really think about going over dya again, felt pretty comfortable with them just always being a villager yesterday but idm giving their iso another look to see if anything jumps at me

i can't comment much on your w!baudib world here, i'm not familiar enough with him to make any sort of assessment on how he'd approach/play around you specifically, but logically it's probably not out of the question for w!baudib to specifically focus on pocketing slots that he's particularly familiar with, esp when the slots in question are people like you/ladd who usually have enough threadpull to carry him along the way if others try to shout back or smth

[Ephemeral]

but that would obviously be a lot of assumptions w/r/t his playstyle and confidence in being able to pocket y'all long term that I don't have an actual basis for

[YOLOSWAG]

@ dya

i flip town, what’s your thinking afterward?

[Ephemeral]

now after seeing the quotes dya got up on syn i have to admit they look quite a bit better for syn than i remembered lol

[dyachei]

@ dya

i flip town, what’s your thinking afterward?

im still considering but never ephem, never visor. syn and baudib are kind of at the same level right now and I want to hear from visor more on baudib

[Ephemeral]

i want to give you time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on remaining players and the like

ya

i saw it mentioned already but I'm also planning to give yolo the full 48 hours

[Ephemeral]

I mean I believe YOLO is going to be a villager more often than I thought Logic or HK were at the before they died, so I don?t think we should just be autopiloting here.

and fwiw I do agree with this

while he's still my highest % wolf by quite a margin he's also looking way better than either of the aforementioned slots were lol

[dyachei]

not really autopiloting imo. I just did most of the work looking at associations with ender yesterday

[baudib1]

I don’t understand how anyone could interpret my play as trying to save Ender. I did a lot to try to get him killed. If your singleminded purpose in the game is to try to get Ender killed and then coast the rest of the way I get it but obviously I was simultaneously trying to solve other slots.

Like ladd/Rask didn’t do much to try to kill Ender, so if they were still alive (wo claim), would you kill them over Syn?

[baudib1]

I was literally trolling ladd for defending Ender and not thinking Ender/HK was the team (which, it wasn’t so credit to him but he was mostly on the side of HK being more likely).

[dyachei]

I don’t understand how anyone could interpret my play as trying to save Ender. I did a lot to try to get him killed. If your singleminded purpose in the game is to try to get Ender killed and then coast the rest of the way I get it but obviously I was simultaneously trying to solve other slots.

Like ladd/Rask didn’t do much to try to kill Ender, so if they were still alive (wo claim), would you kill them over Syn?

possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.

That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do

[dyachei]

rask had really good interactions with the wolves that made it clear he was a villager.
Ladd i know a lot better and he wasn't wolf-pinging me at all. The way he reads me has a great deal of meaning for what alignment he is

[baudib1]

possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.

That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do

I can see how you would think that but I was kinda obsessed with the HK/Syn dynamic and Zelda/Ender adding to the layers of weirdness there was a lot to process. Also I called out Ender for his fake read on the Zelda wagon, which is why I just moved both of them to the bottom of my list, but Zelda already had like 4-5 votes at that time. So I was mostly concentrating on people I know, which meant I was doing a lot of quiet thinking about Yolo, who I admitted I would be too lenient with.

[YOLOSWAG]

Last wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell

This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game

The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't

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Beyond this, in a world where baudi is a villager, dya/Syn both came into today posting "YOLO/baud holds last wolf" worlds with very little effort to look elsewhere.

They've both posted, "I don't grasp why baudi would be concerned about an F3 with me/Syn/dyachei" when.....baudi as a villager has every reason to care about not losing the game at F3? like bruh

Basically small things with a lot of reasons why a wolf would post it in this gamestate, that's my pool of two

The problem is this is all hinges on baudi being a villager. I'm guessing he is, tbh I can see anyone being a wolf but at a certain point you've gotta make a call so this is my guess

Beyond that, Syn has spent most of the game tunneling whichever person he was going after, dya's posts are good but they're a lot of go-with-the-flow variety

There are worlds where Visor's a wolf who just buried his consensus POE bros too but no one cares about exploring that so I'll just go with consensus, wolves will have to kill him or dya tomorrow night if y'all kill me IG so at F3 village will be forced to consider deeper worlds. This is my solve with 2 lunches left, sorry if wrong but give me a break considering the laziness/gridlocked nature of village today, gl etc.

Iight so the crux of my argument is this:

We are approaching F6 with me, baudi, dya, Visor, Ephem and Syn. At this point, most of the game has me as top POE followed by baudi.

From baudi's POV as a villager, he recognizes that if I'm a villager, it's a rough spot for village because he's the game-losing mislunch. So he engages dya/Syn about it.

Syn then says, "I don't know why you would be worried about that."

This doesn't make any sense.

From baudi's point of view, he SHOULD be worried about that. It should be one of his top priorities to engage. dya shaded baud for it later.

The point of this is that it shows that Syn is not actually thinking critically about baudi's alignment and more in line with wolf perspective. This is a thing wolves do where they will take something a villager says then spin it into the most uncharitable interpretation possible for the sake of dunking villas. It's one of those 'this is easy to spin as wolfy even though it's actually not' angles wolves take in arguments.

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I'm also looking at this votecount and thinking about what I would do as a wolf:

I believe we have majority. My understanding is visor's vote for 'enderkatt' is not legal and thus the previous vote for hollowkatt stands.

Please stand by and no more posting ITT

VOTE TALLY


hollowkatt 6 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd yoloswag EnderWiggin Visor
EnderWiggin 3 Syn dyachei baudib
baudib1 1 hollowkatt

The HK wagon blew up out of village just kinda being bored of HK doing nothing.

IMO a wolf is likelier to bus ender in this gamestate -- dude's always dying D4 latest so just get the cred early.

Some problems I have with this is that Syn's tone has been really good and some of the back and forth he had with Ender seem unaligned.

But I don't know what to think beyond that. Visor I think is town, dya I think is town despite my argument above, baudi I think is town. Syn has the least reasons to be town FMPOV. If it's something deeper I don't know how in the fuck I'm supposed to find it in this gamestate.

[YOLOSWAG]

In conclusion:



Vote: Syn

[YOLOSWAG]

also not sure how most of the reasons given on you have nothing to do with alignment?

As far as I see I've been POE'd past D2 for skipping out on that phase. Everyone had me as spewed town before the SK flip then threw me in POE for not playing the phase.

I skipped phase and have been "falling off" because you could read the first 200 posts of this game and probably deduce the first 4, 5 lunches off it. Every phase has just been mowing down the POE that was largely established D1 with some nitpicky word arguments sprinkled in between. Doesn't make me a wolf, just a bored villager who is not really invested or engaged. It is what it is.

Beyond that I have seen "I don't like YOLO's interactions with ender" which are meh. I did give ender a few chances to get into the game, at a certain point I just got kinda tired of HK doing nothing and decided to kill him instead.

S'all I'ma say with regard to defense.

[baudib1]

Dya, if you have time I’d recommend you go back and skim the Euro 13er where you subbed in for Benneh.
For that matter everyone else feel free to take a look. If you think it looks anything like my game here then just shrugyeet me tomorrow if Yolo flips V.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Friendly-13-er

This is the game where me and Yolo powerwolfed through to V/V wagons everyday before I got outed/RB by Empoof. We voted our partner in a spot where he wasn’t going to die. The extent of my antispew was quoting a post of his early and saying “derp-clear denied” and the town leveled themselves into the ground over it. It was mostly a case of getting out of the way of town implosion and making the right NKs, even if they were baffling to town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...leblocker-13er

[Syn]

Iight so the crux of my argument is this:

We are approaching F6 with me, baudi, dya, Visor, Ephem and Syn. At this point, most of the game has me as top POE followed by baudi.

From baudi's POV as a villager, he recognizes that if I'm a villager, it's a rough spot for village because he's the game-losing mislunch. So he engages dya/Syn about it.

Syn then says, "I don't know why you would be worried about that."

This doesn't make any sense.

From baudi's point of view, he SHOULD be worried about that. It should be one of his top priorities to engage. dya shaded baud for it later.

The point of this is that it shows that Syn is not actually thinking critically about baudi's alignment and more in line with wolf perspective. This is a thing wolves do where they will take something a villager says then spin it into the most uncharitable interpretation possible for the sake of dunking villas. It's one of those 'this is easy to spin as wolfy even though it's actually not' angles wolves take in arguments.

I think it's largely a waste of time to post walls about a single hypothetical world that's ~three day cycles away unless you're trying to expand the POE for Raisins.

that is me thinking critically about baudib's alignment

there's also the secret reason for not knowing why he would be worried about it: today. I simply do not play this game in a way where I will match someone in effort in case dueling. I don't enjoy it, it's boring. which is why you don't see me responding to any of the shade being thrown my way this phase. baudib will out-effort me always, and people respond favourably to effort. I do not care enough to invest hours of my time in defending myself or in building meticulous cases on people, and this is inevitably seen as wolf behaviour

[baudib1]

Well I’m going to avoid saying anything else about Syn until it matters, and it might matter today (but probably not).