Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[YOLOSWAG]

I think it's largely a waste of time to post walls about a single hypothetical world that's ~three day cycles away unless you're trying to expand the POE for Raisins.

that is me thinking critically about baudib's alignment

there's also the secret reason for not knowing why he would be worried about it: today. I simply do not play this game in a way where I will match someone in effort in case dueling. I don't enjoy it, it's boring. which is why you don't see me responding to any of the shade being thrown my way this phase. baudib will out-effort me always, and people respond favourably to effort. I do not care enough to invest hours of my time in defending myself or in building meticulous cases on people, and this is inevitably seen as wolf behaviour

OK I'll think on this.

I gotta ask tho: I think baudi had been your top wolfread, why the vote on me today?

[YOLOSWAG]

O nvm.

I remember you said last wolf is in us and you don't care much with regard to preference.

Mm

[Syn]

OK I'll think on this.

I gotta ask tho: I think baudi had been your top wolfread, why the vote on me today?

I'd do baudib first if it were up to me. His posting has the most agenda fmpov

[YOLOSWAG]

Something about lunching Syn feels off.

I have kinda been hoping for a wolf in Visor/baudi/dya because it feels like they have been a unit insofar as "let's posts lists/POEs" playstyles that have gridlocked the gamestate in my eyes and I've been playing with the idea that at least 1 wolf was doing that shit.

Idk man, I'm overthinking somewhere.

[baudib1]

I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can’t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there’s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek

[Visor]

possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.

That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do

i dont know if this is a communication thing or what but i just want to correct a few things:

baudib is perhaps my strongest villa read, but i wouldn't say he is a lock clear read for me (not sure anything would be lock clear ever near endgame), i just have more reasons to believe baudib is a villa based on our interactions and other things ive mentioned earlier, though i will admit it is possible that he is playing a game to specifically pander to me, so i want you and syn, who both think more strongly about him to show me what i am missing

ive actually talked about baudib a decent bit throughout the game but im nto sure youve seen it? i havent played with baudib in a normal game in.... a long time, maybe ever. we mostly played turbos and mashes together so i actually don't have any meta to draw on when it comes to games like this. (and tbh i don't recall how he played turbos or mashes either lol, it was a long time ago)

fwiw i agree with the biggest issue you mentioned re baudib, i mentioned that yesterday when i was going through baudibs progression d1, he didn't comment on the wolf entrances and wolfread them as a sort of consensus wolfread, no comments on their play, just having the right read at the right time.

that said his defence of that was reasonable and i def understand focusing in one direction and adjusting in another so its not like a slam dunk

part of my issue in general i guess is that i just don't care about enders interactions with people because i don't care about spew and ive also wolfed with ender on mu a while back and i know hes perfectly fine to do theatrical stuff

ive become a firm believer that relying on spew is exactly what wolves want you to do and that its a mistake in a lot of instances

[Visor]

yolo, what do you think about baudib/dya/syns posts today and yday

did anything stand out to you?

[Visor]

ive found baudibs posts to be reasonable most of the game and we've been on similar wavelengths a number of times too

in that sense he hsa just felt like a villager to me

[YOLOSWAG]

yolo, what do you think about baudib/dya/syns posts today and yday

did anything stand out to you?

I think baudi?s been fine

dya and syn have come in and said kill YOLO with side sus on baudi and hard clearing you. I?m not sure what there is to get out of that ? it seems a lot of villagers have been stuck on baudi, this includes HK and SK

I am baffled by it. I would probably kill you before baudi

[Visor]

I think baudi?s been fine

dya and syn have come in and said kill YOLO with side sus on baudi and hard clearing you. I?m not sure what there is to get out of that ? it seems a lot of villagers have been stuck on baudi, this includes HK and SK

I am baffled by it. I would probably kill you before baudi

interesting, why me over baudib?

[YOLOSWAG]

I think baudi's just been villagery start to finish. Off-chance I'm getting snowed here but I mean he's been engaged, the vast majority of his takes have been reasonable, he's gotten active when burying people when I think he's been justified every time (pzelda, HK, SK, ender), he's shown a looot of like, small considerations and nuance over a long stretch of time to the point I think he's just a villager

I think the way he's engaged his read on me over the course of the game has come from a place of genuinely wanting to solve me as well. He's been going back and forth on it throughout the game, I don't think he'd put this much effort into it as a wolf, at least not this believably

I also don't really get the wolfreads on baudi. I think the truth is that he posts a lot, some posts are registering as "empty/shitposty" in peoples' minds, and they kind of make him fit as the last wolf even if the hard tells for that aren't really there

With you, you've been towny but I have mostly sheeped consensus on you. Syn has had good tone, dya looks like villa dya to me and my perception of how they wolf doesn't seem to be here at all. So I've tinfoiled you, but am just presuming you'll be nk'd if town and/or I'll be dead before it matters

[Visor]

talk to me more about dya if you could

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

YOLOSWAG 1 Syn
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[YOLOSWAG]

Sure, let me re-ISO

[dyachei]

Dya, if you have time I’d recommend you go back and skim the Euro 13er where you subbed in for Benneh.
For that matter everyone else feel free to take a look. If you think it looks anything like my game here then just shrugyeet me tomorrow if Yolo flips V.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Friendly-13-er

This is the game where me and Yolo powerwolfed through to V/V wagons everyday before I got outed/RB by Empoof. We voted our partner in a spot where he wasn’t going to die. The extent of my antispew was quoting a post of his early and saying “derp-clear denied” and the town leveled themselves into the ground over it. It was mostly a case of getting out of the way of town implosion and making the right NKs, even if they were baffling to town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...leblocker-13er

im assuming you were a wolf in the first? who were the other wolves?

[dyachei]

man i really feel like yolo is kind of misrepping me. I've said multiple times that I'm not sure if I'd go syn or baudib if yolo flips v and i feel like he's trying to pain me as going after only visor's strongest non mech read

[dyachei]

once again there has been major discussion and interaction but when I post everyone is gone

[YOLOSWAG]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.



Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.



hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.



this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

I lost a post when I was re-ISOING dya but basically these are a couple of posts of them analyzing spew, they do this several times early in their ISO

Basically I agree with nearly all if not all of their takes when they analyze the spew, then the way they approached ender this game really doesn't feel partnered to me from what I remember of how dya wolfs. I'ma try to pull some posts on that

[dyachei]

@baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?

[YOLOSWAG]

bruh I don't think dya can be a wolf as I'm rereading their ISO

[YOLOSWAG]

@baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?

lmfao

[baudib1]

I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can’t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there’s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek

im assuming you were a wolf in the first? who were the other wolves?

marko/hardcoreUFO. Second game was me Yolo/Turbobuns

[baudib1]

@baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?

yeah I mean I went 4 years without playing and my playstyle hasn’t changed at all.

[dyachei]

yeah I mean I went 4 years without playing and my playstyle hasn’t changed at all.

honestly doubt that's true even if you dont realize it

[dyachei]

im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere

[YOLOSWAG]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

taking a look at ender ISO. caveat: I tend to read them wolf most games



this is in response to pzelda. i think it's fairly neutral. the first line felt pretty strong then petered off. Also this is like the only post of interest in his entire d1. do not like that



really disagree with this take but might be a decent take regardless. i cant rule out a pzelda/hk/ender world though

I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday



dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read

i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too

ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.

I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted

fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread

Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?

I probably just need to reread. It's not like i want to elim you rn or anything. I still think hk and ender are more likely to turn up hits. I haven't read d1 in a while and i dont recall the extent of your involvement

I kind of want to believe in the hk/ender/pzelda world. They all are about the same level of wolfy and every time I read someone else, I come back thinking they're really v

gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?

fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w

while I think ender is also very wolfy, I'd had to let HK skate by again

so ender comes in and disagrees with my rask read...but doesn't comment at all about how when I reread rask, I dismissed my concerns about him entirely.

interesting

rask what do you think of ender's re-entry today?

because i've read eph and yolo and think they're villagers. I haven't reread baudib yet. Plus he wants me to respect his wolfgame more

it really strikes me as weird that if ender *is* a villager, he can't see the issues with HK clearly and sees HK as a villager, too. This is part of what is making me think w/w is a possibility there. Ender keeps defending HK when *if* he is a villager, he wouldnt know HK's alignment and should want to self-pres on hk. Or re-eval HK to see what he's missing

still dont like ender but I'm not sure because I dont have the best track record reading him

need to reread ladd but probably wont do that tonight

visor get with the program. I've spent several days saying ender is a wolf with reasoning why. I didn't have the mech info, but I said it multiple times and kept adding to the read as I kept looking at it

A few points:

- dya has a lot of progression on ender I find believable. Their reasons for sussing ender are all solid, they're correct to apply pressure when they go at ender harder, but there is enough nuance to what they say about ender that I think they're really processing what their alignment is

- I haven't played with wolf!dya in a long time but have done a few games where they were a wolf. In those games dya would bus if it was +EV but it felt.....more decisive there? This is super thin but idk basically there's enough to their approach here to ender that it doesn't read like a bus to me

- dya has some moments where they explore spicier worlds/reads like

A) actually comes to villager reads on Ephem/YOLO when we were consensus POE/null reads for people
B) prods Visor a few times when no one else was
C) considered a w!Rask world for about 5 seconds then came back to town
D) says they V read everyone then comes back to HK/SK/ender world I think, that POE was consensus but they way they phrased it was villagery

So ya I'll lose to dya ig lmao

[baudib1]

im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere

Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.

But keep reading and form your own conclusions.

[YOLOSWAG]

Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.

But keep reading and form your own conclusions.

I guess you could say we

baudi'd that game

[YOLOSWAG]

re-isoing dya reminded me of something, shoutout to that time ladd called me a wolf for pointing out dya posted Ephemeral's name twice in a reads list

[Visor]

thanks yolo

thats a good post dya has abotu the ender hk stuff