Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[dyachei]

I probably would vote visor over you at F3.

I think I should clearly be given the hammer at F3 with you and Syn.

On D4 when I was still trying to post content it was clear that Syn was setting up to try to get me ML, and frankly your line that day was extremely similar - Yolo commented on this. So I would obviously re-evaluate and all and do due diligence at F3.

Syn spent 0 time trying to discern Yolo’s alignment and I was wondering if this was too lazy to be a wolf lol.

why should you "clearly be given the hammer" when both you and syn have expressed that i'm almost never a wolf here? why would that thought even occur to you, particularly considering that people have been considering your posts and votes and arent clearing you

[baudib1]

why should you "clearly be given the hammer" when both you and syn have expressed that i'm almost never a wolf here? why would that thought even occur to you, particularly considering that people have been considering your posts and votes and arent clearing you

Because the wolf line was to get me ML so I can clean up our equity by taking that line away. Yolo/Visor both have me as the most likely villager yesterday. The fact that Syn wasn’t aiming to ML you doesn’t really outweigh the arguments that I’m more clear than you IMO.

[baudib1]

The argument that Dya is the wolf over Syn is pretty thin and it has to do with me and Syn dunking on Ender for talking about the NKs incriminating town core. I actually made fun of the NK for trying to “lmao spew ladd wolf” on D2 because Wisdom was voting him.

Dya didn’t really comment on this.

This is the main reason I felt Yolo was a mandatory yeet before any potential busser.

[dyachei]

@Visor come back

[dyachei]

The argument that Dya is the wolf over Syn is pretty thin and it has to do with me and Syn dunking on Ender for talking about the NKs incriminating town core. I actually made fun of the NK for trying to “lmao spew ladd wolf” on D2 because Wisdom was voting him.

Dya didn’t really comment on this.

This is the main reason I felt Yolo was a mandatory yeet before any potential busser.

NK analysis is almost never accurate. I put no stock in it ever

[baudib1]

NK analysis is almost never accurate. I put no stock in it ever

Yeah fair enuf. I posted the relevant stuff on D4 when you said I shouldn’t be thinking about F3, go back and read it.
The Wisdom kill was just transparent imo.

[baudib1]

I find it here to believe this would be a difficult vote.

But I’m happy this game proves once again if I end up voting a wolf at EOD when they can reasonably be expected to die, I’m just always a villager. It’s really that simple.

[Visor]

@Visor come back

whats up

[dyachei]

whats up

idk what to do here

[dyachei]

you know baudib better than i do, does his thought process upon entering today make sense for you knowing his style?

[Visor]

you know baudib better than i do, does his thought process upon entering today make sense for you knowing his style?

frankly i have as much experience with him as you do basically

ive played turbos and mashes with him, idk if we ever played a normal with him, and i don't recall how he played in endgame scenarios or much at all

its been years since we've played together with any regularity, like 6 years lol

the one thing i will say is: i disliked his entrance today as the whole setting the way he wants the thread to be, as its a very pog wolf type thing to do, but i don't think it is necessarily out of line with how he has played this game?

i'll look over it more when i have actual time

[Visor]

its a very pog thing to demand the hammer, that much i remember

everyone regardless of alignment demanded the hammer/others crossed in f3 in turbos lol (well, some preferred to be voted, but still)

[dyachei]

im gonna go get some sleep. hope to chat with you a bit tomorrow visor

[Visor]

im gonna go get some sleep. hope to chat with you a bit tomorrow visor

nw, i should have more time tomorrow, today is just a v busy day

i'll take a look over things tonight anyway

[Syn]

[baudib1]

its a very pog thing to demand the hammer, that much i remember

everyone regardless of alignment demanded the hammer/others crossed in f3 in turbos lol (well, some preferred to be voted, but still)

I think we’ve been in enough late-game situations in mashes where you should have a very good feel for my game with this many people left. Certainly I feel I have a good enough handle on your game that I feel comfortable with you.

Yolo is the one player who knows my wolf game better than anyone and it’s not close - Bopolis would be a distant second. He solved the game and he would want me to have hammer. I felt like you would too since you said I had the most villagery posts of anyone alive at F6.

Dya is hung up on this idea that I didn’t try to get the wolves killed when I clearly was all for lunching PZelda and the main thrust of my entire game was hating all of Ender’s posts and pushing against dumb arguments about why he doesn’t fit with Zelda or anyone. If Ephe keeps his vote on Ender and he goes over then I have the deciding vote and the idea I didn’t try to get him killed is blown out of the water.

The wolf games I linked are 1. I literally voted a villager every day and all my aggressive interactions are with Viggo/Panther 2. I called Yolo/turbo members of the “circle of town” on D1 and refused to even consider voting Yolo when Batman asked me.

[Visor]

for my own sanity, because right now we're about to lose to dyachei if they're a wolf

recent wolf game lines:

I wish I knew how to read ender but I always get him wrong when I try

I also think pizza is firmly in both metas rn. He hasn't done anything I think is strictly villagery or strictly wolfy

i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform

i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD

etc

alright

reading over dyachei in their recent wolf game and i do still think that there are similarities in them (mostly tonal/stylistic ones that i don't feel like getting into), but a lot of that has happened just because of the baby and the change in dyas posting style

in this game they tend to have better posts in general, or rather, posts that are less responsive and more proactive and psots tend to hav a little more in depth thought put into them, which is how i used to read dya back in the day

its mostly the progression from post to post in the last few days that stand otu to me in the iso where dya is stringing thoughts together in a way that feels natural and less like thought. response. thought. response. dya as a wolf is somewhat robotic i think

i do still really like that ender sus post i highlighted yday, thats a post thats hard to make as a wolf unless you preplan it and i kind of doubt that a wolfteam of dya/ender preplans something like that

ladd and ephem both thought dya was a villager and i think i have to agree, their posting the last few days has just been v good and while i INCREDIBLY do not want to lose to dya-wolf again, my gut is telling me that dya is a villa and i should just ride with it (even thought it also makes me sick lol)

[Visor]

I think we’ve been in enough late-game situations in mashes where you should have a very good feel for my game with this many people left. Certainly I feel I have a good enough handle on your game that I feel comfortable with you.

Yolo is the one player who knows my wolf game better than anyone and it’s not close - Bopolis would be a distant second. He solved the game and he would want me to have hammer. I felt like you would too since you said I had the most villagery posts of anyone alive at F6.

Dya is hung up on this idea that I didn’t try to get the wolves killed when I clearly was all for lunching PZelda and the main thrust of my entire game was hating all of Ender’s posts and pushing against dumb arguments about why he doesn’t fit with Zelda or anyone. If Ephe keeps his vote on Ender and he goes over then I have the deciding vote and the idea I didn’t try to get him killed is blown out of the water.

The wolf games I linked are 1. I literally voted a villager every day and all my aggressive interactions are with Viggo/Panther 2. I called Yolo/turbo members of the “circle of town” on D1 and refused to even consider voting Yolo when Batman asked me.

mate i have played hundreds and hundreds of games since we last played with any regularity, you and most of early pog are a blur to me, sorry.

i remember you killing me in haters, i remember a turbo where i dumbly voted you over reddoboiler in f3, and uh... thats about it. you are that guy with the asian girl avatar to me in my mind lol

[baudib1]

Visor, I’m a little disturbed that Dya is misrepping my game more than Syn is but it’s really hard to get there and I think Syn just TMId Dya town days ago when he telegraphed that he was going for me.

I eviscerated Ender and I did more than anyone to roflstomp his plan to create paranoia over the NKs into the ground.
Yolo agreed that I buried Ender, correctly found the solve that it’s a bussing game + cleared me.

FMPOV, D2-3 I have
SK telling me that Ender was absurdly townie, and I openly mocked him for this
Rask telling me he wanted me Ender and Syn to work together
Yolo interceding on Ender’s behalf and telling me he had fire reads while I was trying to TDome Ender.

These are confirmed towns who did not try to get Ender killed.

In spite of that, here I am on D3 saying I was officially against an HK lunch, and parked on Ender. The line that I’m a wolf who stated I was down to sheep ladd and then trolling ladd for thinking Ender was a villager makes no sense.

[baudib1]

If I had hammer in F3 with Visor dead, the problem I have is that the broad strokes of Syn and Dya’s games are very similar. But Dya’s game has a lot more nuance and depth and free flow to it. Of course, they are a better player than Syn, so that has to be taken into account.

If I were to note something about Dya’s game that is different from what I remember, it’s asking for engagement multiple times, which is a little SPF wolf style. But it’s probably NAI for Dya? In any event Dya is still orders of magnitude more villagery than Syn.

From V!Dya’s pov, they see Syn having the same basic outline to their game and thinking it makes them villagery. That’s the impasse in the game atm.

[Syn]

Visor, I?m a little disturbed that Dya is misrepping my game more than Syn is but it?s really hard to get there and I think Syn just TMId Dya town days ago when he telegraphed that he was going for me.

I eviscerated Ender and I did more than anyone to roflstomp his plan to create paranoia over the NKs into the ground.
Yolo agreed that I buried Ender, correctly found the solve that it?s a bussing game + cleared me.

FMPOV, D2-3 I have
SK telling me that Ender was absurdly townie, and I openly mocked him for this
Rask telling me he wanted me Ender and Syn to work together
Yolo interceding on Ender?s behalf and telling me he had fire reads while I was trying to TDome Ender.

These are confirmed towns who did not try to get Ender killed.

In spite of that, here I am on D3 saying I was officially against an HK lunch, and parked on Ender. The line that I?m a wolf who stated I was down to sheep ladd and then trolling ladd for thinking Ender was a villager makes no sense.

this is sick revisionist history

[Syn]

my gut is telling me that dya is a villa and i should just ride with it (even thought it also makes me sick lol)

you genuinely do not have a choice since baudib and I already cross-voted

[Syn]

If I had hammer in F3 with Visor dead, the problem I have is that the broad strokes of Syn and Dya’s games are very similar. But Dya’s game has a lot more nuance and depth and free flow to it. Of course, they are a better player than Syn, so that has to be taken into account.

the moment this game stopped going your way, you've resorted to personal attacks with anyone who doesn't agree with you

it's kind of not very cash money

[Syn]

baudib is pretty clearly just trying to get on your good side and entertaining your thought process, which is funny because from his perspective the only choice is me as wolf. he agreed to this thunderdome. there should be no process on his end about determining dya's alignment. it doesn't matter. he's only doing it to sway you because it'll make him sound reasonable and like he's trying.

if he genuinely thinks the wolf isn't me, then the game is lost, and none of this matters. no casing matters. no discussing matters. it's over. he's simply trying to look good enough to get your vote.

a v/v cross-vote always loses here

the wolf doesn't need to care about the vote. a tie just gets randomized between us. a villager doesn't need to care about assessing dya's play.

you might say, but syn, couldn't they still vote sleep? two votes for sleep is more than your t-dome. and I would tell you, why would a wolf do that?

visor/dya town. baudib wolf. let's do it. or not. I'm not your dad

[Syn]

while taking a shower I realized I have no idea if votes are locked at mylo/lylo here

[baudib1]

this is sick revisionist history

It’s actually literally what happened.

You should point out the times EOD1-2 when it looks like I have TMI, it’s pretty funny.

[baudib1]

The path to actually having a theoretically correct Dya lunch was lost on D3. We should have HK or Yolo alive as a mech cleared town. If it’s HK it probably doesn’t matter. But if it’s YOLO as a mech-clear villager with a Syn-Dya solve, then we have a chance.

[baudib1]

The path to actually having a theoretically correct Dya lunch was lost on D3. We should have HK or Yolo alive as a mech cleared town. If it’s HK it probably doesn’t matter. But if it’s YOLO as a mech-clear villager with a Syn-Dya solve, then we have a chance.

There’s still a good chance I would open snap Visor though.

[dyachei]

is eod tonight or tomorrow

[Syn]

tomorrow