Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[dyachei]

@dyachei what do you think is Boq's best post this game?

i dont have one picked out

I just have agreed more with several things he's said than what people like nutella are saying. Or vulgard

[Achro]

i dont have one picked out

I just have agreed more with several things he's said than what people like nutella are saying. Or vulgard

What's your favorite take, then? Not a post. Just a thought Boq had that made you go 'Boq's looking good.'

[dyachei]

What's your favorite take, then? Not a post. Just a thought Boq had that made you go 'Boq's looking good.'

we've had similar thoughts on vulgard and lapras

[Achro]

we've had similar thoughts on vulgard and lapras

Do you find boq claiming to have forgotten that lapras and I were in the game earlier to be believable?

[Vulgard]

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

i was asking for ender's final read because he caused all of this and he lied about the md on you being n1 so i'm basically asking him what he got out of manipulating the result in regard to his read on you

in hindsight i think your reaction was wolfy and you should still probably die

there's a chance visor targeted you given the posts achro brought up but that doesn't disqualify you also being a mafia visiting role so y'know
@Achro i'm not sure why you have boq on your team of 3, either i missed your explanation or you just didn't explain it

i personally think boq is town and wolves are in rask/dya/lapras/syn/cape
which is too broad to be game-winning i know

[Achro]

i was asking for ender's final read because he caused all of this and he lied about the md on you being n1 so i'm basically asking him what he got out of manipulating the result in regard to his read on you

in hindsight i think your reaction was wolfy and you should still probably die

there's a chance visor targeted you given the posts achro brought up but that doesn't disqualify you also being a mafia visiting role so y'know
@Achro i'm not sure why you have boq on your team of 3, either i missed your explanation or you just didn't explain it

i personally think boq is town and wolves are in rask/dya/lapras/syn/cape
which is too broad to be game-winning i know

Funny enough if you look into syn, rask, and lapras all of them have things that are possibly pairing with boq. In v you worlds I would be stunned if boq isn't a wolf just because of the massive amount of possible intersections going on there. Too much smoke for there to not be some fire.

Unless it's just you/cape lol

Leaning more towards boq worlds right now. I suggest reading the little iso I did on rask and syn last page. Explained my thoughts pretty well and both include possible boq equity.

[Raskolnikov]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

[Achro]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

Knock yourself out.

[Achro]

@Vulgard what do you think w lapras was even talking about in v boq worlds in the post I highlighted where I thought lapras tmi'd boq wolf? Why use anti spew there if lapras is w but boq is v?

[dyachei]

Do you find boq claiming to have forgotten that lapras and I were in the game earlier to be believable?

I believe he forgot to add you to the list. I find it believable to forget lapras. I'm not as sure about you but iirc you werent posting as much at the time

[Raskolnikov]

Okay I have placed everyone on ignore to try to get through Rask?s iso faster, amazing gameplay by me tbh. -> random gloating, but ur right, elite move on not mafia friendly sites

Just going to assume Rask is a wolf for this read through as I am working on unaligning people from Rask, if he is V then zzz. -> zzz

I think the way rask treats Syn to start the game is unaligned tbh. -> meh. Syn and I are pals. (even if he will deny it). random nonsense to start game (if he is actually a wolf, that joke he made about 2 wolves in the roster list where he is missing is the goat lol)

Asks Lapras to carry him, yeah I could see that being w/w from the little I have gathered about Rask. -> that was also a joke. I am too old to have been a pokemon fan -more Saint Seiya iywtk - but got into it since 3 years or so because of kiddos. iirc Lapras is a carrier pokemon (ice/water type). That was a joke to Lapras. Apparently fell flat. NAI



Interesting to note Rask has acted like a snapping turtle at times for being suspected, but Lapras? misformatted vote here on him draws a laugh instead. Feels different than how he treated me when I thought I was shading him with Ender/Wisdom earlier in the game so that might be a difference check. -> nah. I was actually loling at the cause which triggered the vote seemingly (my joke about "words" or just sheeping Visor tinfoil).

Guesses that Lapras is Jdizz. I thought that him having no idea who I was meant he was probably uninformed so does this clear Lapras? A point in favor at least, but it feels textured different than his confusion surrounding me which had some reasoning behind it. -> I am town so meh. I confused you with Lapras at game start (both new names to me) and since I was just ending a game with robyn and JDizz at TS and I linked them here and they linked JDizz there, well I said what I said.



Okay this is starting to feel a little performative. -> maybe. but it's not AI. I was having fun. generally lean me as a villager but u can't know. Maybe in some games.

I also imagine given their early games it is possible that Boq/Lapras never bothered to talk much in wolf chat and that?s why Rask didn?t know who I was lol. -> I am town, you will get over me not knowing you pregame, dw




Point in favor of Rask/Vul not being W/W -> correct




This post feels a lot like a pocket of Syn tbh. -> true. it's not but it feels like one lol. But I was actually responding to post #181 (scroll up, first in page). Which makes me think in a w!syn world, this was very subtil from him to actually make me post something of the sort (he knows me well)

Rask was pushing vul as w/w with illario earlier. -> yeah. on first read I thought that convo lacked inquisitiveness and could be ww. after a couple reread, I dropped it. (actually thought Vulgard was townie in it at some point, not sure I posted it though)




There is such a lack of heat between Rask/Lapras early that it sticks out like a sore thumb. -> I am a diesel engine. I don't go full heat straight away. D1 is not the time anyway. NAI





Defends Boq from Nutella -> it's not so much about defending Boq. It's about nutella literrally faking missunderstanding. (it was pretty clear... but nut brings a PR chat out of it? hmmm sus bronana)






Random thing to theatre about if this is w/w? -> nah. not feinted annoyance to nut misrepresenting what I post because she is too quick to jump on assumptions.





Same lack of heat with Lapras is present with Boq early on. Just very chill stuff. -> yes. I like to entertain and I thought it was funny. (first line). second line was serious. (I already explained this to Boq D2 iirc)



Focuses on me and Wisdom with just a mention of Boq?s random vote. Follows up by voting Wisdom without mentioning Boq here: -> yes at that time I was mulling over a world where you/wis were wolves using Boq's vote (who seemed random to me at time, we l8r clarified Boq's reasons behind it). obviously outdated lean.




Me and Wisdom are SUSPICIOUS (although I wasn?t even shading him lol projection much) but Boq escapes without even a mention, just that it is ?random? -> no. See above. If you are real and keep reading my D2 ISO, you will see I have engaged with Boq a fair bit to read him and understand his pov. In the end it made sense to me, and that + a couple of his takes, on dya replying to robyn for instance, convinced me he was town.

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras -> I think there is one at best in there (the wolfy carrier Lapras, known as Dz in other islands :p)

replies in bold @Achro or anyone interested.

TBH It seems to me you have made a specific selection of my posts and are not trying to understand the reasons behind them (see the stuff with Wis/Boq/you in the end of your post... If you read D2, it's pretty clear I didn't let Boq aside and I engaged with him. Prolly more than anyone. to clear missunderstandings as much as I could and try to get a informed read there. And u can't say I was soft with Boq. I opened D2 calling him outed wolf pal).

Did you read the rest of my ISO?

[Boquise]

I don't really understand Achro's obsession with me forgetting him and Lapras and immediately pointing it out, and how that's AI/or believable. Especially since it was apparently my towniest post according to Achro

Why isn't it believable?
How is it AI?

[Achro]

replies in bold @Achro or anyone interested.

TBH It seems to me you have made a specific selection of my posts and are not trying to understand the reasons behind them (see the stuff with Wis/Boq/you in the end of your post... If you read D2, it's pretty clear I didn't let Boq aside and I engaged with him. Prolly more than anyone. to clear missunderstandings as much as I could and try to get a informed read there. And u can't say I was soft with Boq. I opened D2 calling him outed wolf pal).

Did you read the rest of my ISO?

I stopped where I did because I am kinda worn down and it was really annoying having to ignore everyone (literally ignore feature) to iso you. But yeah what you are saying is true I was specifically looking for things to pair or unpair you with others. Given the nature of the day and your first reaction I am assuming you are in anti-spew and have been since Ender claimed, but it doesn't mean I have to be a jerk about it.

tbf from your perspective most of my thoughts there are swrong because I am assigning wolf motives to everything. Although I appreciated knowing you like Saint Seiya and you agreed with the pocket attempt lol.

Obviously if you do flip town then you and boq can't be w/w for what I will hope is obvious reasons.

[Achro]

I don't really understand Achro's obsession with me forgetting him and Lapras and immediately pointing it out, and how that's AI/or believable. Especially since it was apparently my towniest post according to Achro

Why isn't it believable?
How is it AI?

Well, I think you are partnered with Lapras and may be trying to play it cool with me. I have poking you a lot this game, but I think it plays into people's perception of what a town boq is if you are so unconcerned about my push that you forget I am in the game. Also, a fun coincidence, you also forgot that the person I have linked you with is in the game. Surely nothing weird about that.

... Or you are in fact town and I am being a little paranoid. In which case it's probably Vul/Cape lol.

[Achro]

Actually wait

does anyone besides me even suspect Boq right now?

Oh no, that's a bad sign.

[nutella]

pls pls kill nutella/Lapras back to back D4/5.

if you flip town and i get chopped we just lose so, cool

where nutella spends her while day solving out a false assumption. but it's doesn't matter, #it'sfortheshow.

step 1. proclaim someone is a wolf
step 2. read everybody out of interactions with said slot
step 3. gloat about your reads and wonder why you are alive. Feint confusion
step 4. Ask literally every slots of the game to build reads like you do. If they don't, declare they are wolves.
step5. When proclaimed wolf flip villa, blame them.

Rince and repeat.

i never gloated about my reads, i thought i had nk equity due to being the most consensus town yesterday. everyone else had some pressure on them. it's happened my last few games too

Reading Dya ISO it's fun to see how Dya/Boq/Syn look perfectly aligned. I have them as ttt but maybe it's just plain opposite lmao. (some posts after Dya said their treatment of partner!illario wouldn't be a bus, they go on shileding Boq then Syn)

i can see this, i also think dya has a lot of equity with cape but i'm interested in solving more in boq worlds too especially if you flip v

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

lmaooooooo

very good sir

my first thought from this is that rask reacted as if he knew he would have actually had motion n1 anyway

so it was clever to get that reaction

this is coming just as i'm more afraid rask is actually a miss bc he seems to really be trying to solve before he goes down, it's unfortunate he's pushing me but it does kinda look like he's trying

Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

he did yeah

Thought exercise

Ender Town, Rask town

Two different scum team branches

Vul/Cape branch
Boq/Lapras branch

Nut/Syn/Dya left over to cookie piece the last slot of either of those teams.

Syn and Dya I don't really have a fantastic grasp on atm, guess I need to read.

again think dya fits with cape branch, syn with boq perhaps

but yeah those are the main pairs i'm looking into basically regardless of rask's flip

[nutella]

Actually wait

does anyone besides me even suspect Boq right now?

Oh no, that's a bad sign.

it's weird how we completely 180 dismissed him after the wis flip idk

he's done a little bit today but could be coasting

[nutella]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

i am simply not a wolf

[nutella]

idk how to explain for those without the experience and i kind of hate framing defense this way and still end up doing it every game but my scumrange literally isn't wide enough to contain all the contradicting weathervaning reads i've had on every slot this game

it's how my brain works processing input when uninformed and i've never been able to replicate it when informed

[nutella]

Talks to Ender directly about Boq, but unless I missed it hasn't really said anything to Boq up until this point.

Interesting.

ftr this was also after he cast a boq-saving last minute vote

said this before but it would be a very straightup open save if theyre partners but it's definitely possible

[nutella]

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras

nice work

[Boquise]

Well, I think you are partnered with Lapras and may be trying to play it cool with me. I have poking you a lot this game, but I think it plays into people's perception of what a town boq is if you are so unconcerned about my push that you forget I am in the game. Also, a fun coincidence, you also forgot that the person I have linked you with is in the game. Surely nothing weird about that.

... Or you are in fact town and I am being a little paranoid. In which case it's probably Vul/Cape lol.

Why was it a good post then? That's your words, not mine.
I forget names. Mostly reflects on how my reads have been on you and Lapras through the game. Null.

I even pointed it out myself a few seconds afterwards. So it isn't like I forgot you for a long while. This is a bit reachy, or at best just a hurt ego. Perhaps it is concerning though that despite you pushing me and despite all your walls and engagements in the thread - your posts havent been that memorable to me tbh

[nutella]

Will someone care if I reply to your ISO Achro? (tbh I didn't read it because the assumption is false and I am tired of this tbh, but maybe I can use one of my last posts to bring some replies to the thread)

ok actually I will do it. need something to get me out of irl rn lol

this is the kind of thing that is making me worry, you know 100% you are dying today and you cannot convince the thread otherwise so if you're wolf why reply, if you're town it's to actually help us solve

i mean i guess what it accomplishes, at least to me, is overwhelm/exhausting town solving by making us think about too many worlds, but thats kinda a stretch

so if you really are town, i appreciate the help, just not that you're so wrong on me. for my sake assume i'm town and give me a solve to work with if you flip v?

[Boquise]

it's weird how we completely 180 dismissed him after the wis flip idk

he's done a little bit today but could be coasting

I am never going to sign up to a "chill" game again tbh

[nutella]

the genuine excitement and being absolutely sure you were caught and lock wolf was not something i could fake if i had tmi you werent really caught @Raskolnikov idk if you will believe this or if it helps but maybe you can understand why my treatment of you was from an uninformed perspective

[Raskolnikov]

this is the kind of thing that is making me worry, you know 100% you are dying today and you cannot convince the thread otherwise so if you're wolf why reply, if you're town it's to actually help us solve

i mean i guess what it accomplishes, at least to me, is overwhelm/exhausting town solving by making us think about too many worlds, but thats kinda a stretch

so if you really are town, i appreciate the help, just not that you're so wrong on me. for my sake assume i'm town and give me a solve to work with if you flip v?

I will do so in 3 hours if people are willing to let me that much time (kiddos are back from school and going to bed in 2 hours roughly). I can feel your frustration too tbh. I know I may be wrong on your slot (this game is a disaster as some happen to be lol), will try the exercice before going.

[Boquise]

I feel like my theory that several players try to force me into multiple teams because they "want" me to be a wolf keeps ringing true.

Wolves got Wisdom, and then I am next.
I have mulled over Rask/Ender but I can't really come to a conclusion. I think how Rask shamed my reaction to Ender's action was townie for what it's worth. I will still follow the PR's reads because that's imo how to play, and I have theories based on Rask's flip tbh. It feels weird that Achro and Nutella pairs me with Rask because it would mean that they think I only made beef with my teammate on D1 and D2 and wasted my play. I also dislike the whole "solve boq regardless of Rask's alignment".

I am not going to exhaust myself today with solving however tbh. I am happy with the push I have done against Syn and Vulgard

[nutella]

inb4 visor was powerkilled and docced rask or visor was regularkilled and thought rask was pr

or visor was powerkilled and blocked the reg nk and rask was firefightered

idk the thing that gets me is that rask was so already focused on the firefighter role and was like so on alert for it even before ender outed the result and didn't actually consider all these other possibilities


and the fact that he called it a "red" even though he already had the firefighter false positive possibility on his mind


idk it's hard for me to get into his head if he's town and had that reaction (but then it's also hard for him to get into my head)


game really is a disaster if hes town though like oof

[nutella]

I feel like my theory that several players try to force me into multiple teams because they "want" me to be a wolf keeps ringing true.

Wolves got Wisdom, and then I am next.
I have mulled over Rask/Ender but I can't really come to a conclusion. I think how Rask shamed my reaction to Ender's action was townie for what it's worth. I will still follow the PR's reads because that's imo how to play, and I have theories based on Rask's flip tbh. It feels weird that Achro and Nutella pairs me with Rask because it would mean that they think I only made beef with my teammate on D1 and D2 and wasted my play. I also dislike the whole "solve boq regardless of Rask's alignment".

I am not going to exhaust myself today with solving however tbh. I am happy with the push I have done against Syn and Vulgard

i think where i'm at is youre more likely wolf in rask v worlds

if rask flips v i'd look into you/lapras/i guess syn or dya?

and if rask flips w i think i was more likely right about the cape/vulgard world, or cape/dya

but i think there are rask/you worlds available

[nutella]

"youre more likely wolf in rask v worlds" lol well ok this is trivially probabilistically true but my point is i think i'd look at cape before you for w!rask partners