Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[nutella]

wtf is this boq wagon


why is this happening instead of dya


bad eod

[Syn]

im gay

[Raskolnikov]

im gay

lol

[robyn]

gl fellow twinks

[nebjiamn]

Give me a moment while i validate the last few votes and double check.

[nebjiamn]

Final Vote Tally

Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras



Illario was chopped. They were vanilla town!



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[nebjiamn]

In the night, robyn was poisoned and will die at EOD. Meanwhile, ladd was killed. He was vanilla town!




Alive (13/15):

1. Achro
2. Boq
3. Cape90
4. dyachei
5. EnderWiggin
6. lapras
7. nutella
8. raskolnikov
9. Robyn
10. Syn
11. Visor
12. Vulgard
13. Wisdom

Revealing thread early as I will be unable to reveal closer to deadline.

Please do not begin posting until 7:00PM EST (20 minutes from this post)

[nutella]

meh i wrote a bunch of rambly notes after eod but i actually have no firm conclusions and kind of feel like starting from a ~relatively clean slate today

[Cape90]

Didn't read overnight, but I do want to look back on stuff.

I noticed that when I was on the nutella wagon people kept flooding in to that wagon, when i swapped to Boquise, those people went right over to Boquise (and Robyn/Rask who was never on nutella but is being resolved today it looks like) with the exception of ladd/Syn.

Okay both wagons were more different then I thought but I have a point to make

Now in terms of Illario voters, who moved off Illario at all to join me?

The answer = NOBODY

I think it's fair to say mafia probably just wanted Illario dead. With that in mind dyachei/Vulgard/Wisdom were all MIA on the Illario wagon at EOD.

Out of those who were there nutella was supporting a dyachei/cape (hey look ma i made it) kill as well while also being on Illario in support of dya I guess.

EnderWiggin's perspective makes sense as town at least in terms of the last thing he said. 1100.

Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

I think Achro is obvious town, Robyn I think is town but is just gonna self resolve here anyways, and I literally sheeped Robyn at EOD and stand by that actually being a very good EOD vote compared to nutella so your welcome if you are town nutella, but I am side-eyeing Rask maybe a little bit at EOD, at least the reactionary side of me is like the reactionary side of me was suspecting nutella.

I mean Rask was sure insistent on just killing Wisdom there and 1152 alone with the "why dya" comment just makes me wanna yeet Rask into the sun but eh. Boq/Rask probably don't cross as mafia there?

I think Boq wagon has decent chance to be pure from where I retrospectively look.

The barely wagon that Robyn had is fine I guess, confirmed town and a uh... Visor was a wagon

ladd was only one on dyachei

I really really really don't trust Lapras if nutella is town

Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why

This readslist is posted right after that.

Lapras in general feels extremely sloppy to me so I could see it being them. Making Visor's town equity go up.

Oh and the people I thought were gonna die at night consisted of literally ladd or me and just the two of us.

So the NK doesn't surprise me in the slightest

[Cape90]

forgot to mention some boq thoughts in that wall thing, maybe for the better lol

uh

So I think I made the right choice in sheeping Robyn off of nutella onto Boq, he just is a better vote there.

In terms of the Weedle scumgame that he just played with me in a mash, Weedle very quickly found me out as town and then literally pedestaled me like day 1, and then town were calling out that Weedle was obvious scum like day 2 and I defended Weedle that whole time.

While Boq this game isn't particularly pedastaling me, he found me similarly quick for... literally just for the reason that I read and comprehended and responded to an Achro wall. While it did take effort I guess, it really isn't something out of my scumrange and isn't even an original read. Lapras made a similar read to that (that's 2 sketchy people) but Lapras' case for towncasing me off of that was significantly more substantiated.

Boq didn't talk about my tone

Boq didn't talk about... really anything else until called out upon from it to where Boq basically the second time around copied Lapras' homework and presented that.

I have only seen Boq as town exercise caution while townreading me while as mafia he just flips on a light switch to where he easily townreads me. Every. Single. Time.

I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.

VOTE: Boquise

I still like this for those reasons and am happy to hear counterarguments but I think I did a towny thing for ONCE in an EOD.

Well actually there was that Appa thing from my town anon Avatar game so make that a double whopper.

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dyachei is also an okay option. I just would have felt bad flipping them the most if they were town and it would have been a very shrug yeet if I had voted dya there.

[nutella]

like dya and boq probably need to be solved the most but idk

[Visor]

rip ladd

Vote: dyachei

[Vulgard]

like dya and boq probably need to be solved the most but idk

honestly what was that boq wagon? the way it built up seemed like everyone was hopping onto it for science and not because they actually believed boq was a wolf

achro especially stood out to me because he seemed like he was just cooking (in the slang sense) that entire eod

[Lapras]

Final Vote Tally

Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras



Illario was chopped. They were vanilla town!



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I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

[Cape90]

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.

[Achro]

read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.

Here's a question about the EOD Lapras is talking about.

What's there to antispew, Cape?

[Achro]

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

Hi @Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically

1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'

thank you.

[Lapras]

Hi @Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically

1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'

thank you.

Why does it ping you?

Eod behaviour is a fab way to catch wolves

But specifically:
- at eod no wolves were going over given the frozen votes on illario
- i trust wolves would realise this more than town given they would engage and strat (or i normally do at eod)
- they can do smart votes/plays so in future days they look unpartnered e.g. staft pushing/voting wolf pals anticipating possible wolf flip

So they can do what they want and it generate anti spew


And uncaring would be someone who just sits n posts about things abstracted from the upcoming death

[Raskolnikov]

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

This post from dz is pretty trash btw.

(The dicho between his treatment of illarios wagon and his last sentence just looks agenda to me)

[Achro]

Here you go

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...

[Boquise]

Here you go

The only thing I feel about that is that Lapras should be pushing me by now with that point of view tbh

[ladd]

vote:dyachei

Vanity eheheh

[nebjiamn]

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