Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Syn]

vote: Wisdom

[Syn]

team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

[Vulgard]

yay sunbae will get to post 100 votecounts

[Vulgard]

team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

okay i laughed

[Vulgard]

im going to town read ender for being relatable

whoever pointed that post out as wolfy yesterday is probably town because it is indeed a rough line

i'm trying to find who it was but the search thread feature isn't letting me do that right now

That is the first post I side-eye in this game

but knowing how Wis usually posts as town and how they can get scum read by phrasings like that, I am leaning to town read that

It isn't really TMI'ing since I am fence-sitting in that post. Get your terminology right smh

I've seen Wisdom get bodied in games before because they make posts that people normally read as scummy. Like that LAMIST post.

Which makes me side-eye it because the post itself resonates as scummy to me

But then I remember that Wisdom likes to do posts like that as town. So maybe town?

But then I remember that Wisdom also styles a bit as scum, so I become unsure.

But then I conclude that it is likelier that town!Wisdom has that genuine thought and post it than scum!Wisdom making a show of it.

It is regular pattern behaviour. Like how I know that you always death tunnel me regardless of your alignment, but that when you do it as scum it rings as shamelessly hollow tbh

This was btw proven by my "the doc" post. Out of all players, you were the one who reacted by shading me and then you began walking it back when I explained myself. Shameless as usual smh

i actually strongly agree with the sentiment presented here
my main issue with wisdom this game though is that they haven't provided a post yet that made me go "yeah this is definitely town" which consistently happens when i play with them and they're town
they just have this moment, this insight that they provide, this read that they give that will strongly resonate with me and i will immediately understand that our minds united
and that will make wisdom definitely town because a wolf would never be able to achieve this from their pov, they don't think the same as me, a villager

that hasn't happened here yet

didn't happen with illario either, but i should accept that i simply misread him again and i need to find a better approach to reading him in the future

and because it didn't happen with illario idk how much stock i should put into it when reading wisdom

but i do think i've found more success with this when reading wisdom so

this is a very long-winded way of saying that wisdom is still basically null for me and i don't particularly like that fact

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going back to boq, i don't actually think him pointing this out is towny for him because this is something he could just post from experience (and i did have the same experience which is why i agree)

he could post this regardless of wisdom's alignment really

[dyachei]

literally told you why I'd be limited

I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.

I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you

also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks

[Vulgard]

boq's later posts are much better than his rough start but i don't know what his reads are

@Boquise

[Syn]

whoever pointed that post out as wolfy yesterday is probably town because it is indeed a rough line

i'm trying to find who it was but the search thread feature isn't letting me do that right now





i actually strongly agree with the sentiment presented here
my main issue with wisdom this game though is that they haven't provided a post yet that made me go "yeah this is definitely town" which consistently happens when i play with them and they're town
they just have this moment, this insight that they provide, this read that they give that will strongly resonate with me and i will immediately understand that our minds united
and that will make wisdom definitely town because a wolf would never be able to achieve this from their pov, they don't think the same as me, a villager

that hasn't happened here yet

didn't happen with illario either, but i should accept that i simply misread him again and i need to find a better approach to reading him in the future

and because it didn't happen with illario idk how much stock i should put into it when reading wisdom

but i do think i've found more success with this when reading wisdom so

this is a very long-winded way of saying that wisdom is still basically null for me and i don't particularly like that fact

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going back to boq, i don't actually think him pointing this out is towny for him because this is something he could just post from experience (and i did have the same experience which is why i agree)

he could post this regardless of wisdom's alignment really

horrible post m'lord

[Syn]

literally told you why I'd be limited

I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.

I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you

also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks

it's okay i'll shield you

this has never backfired on me in the past

[Vulgard]

how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

[dyachei]

so we had v/v wagons yesterday. there were probably wolves off wagon

[Vulgard]

anyway in regard to boq i need to see his reads

his early posts are very rough

his later posts are better

but his stances on the game aren't very clear

[dyachei]

oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

[Vulgard]

how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

i think it's like 99% at the least

please stop doing this

actually what are your current reads? is it literally just me/wisdom/nutella as the team and everyone else town? talk to me about the process that went into this

[Vulgard]

oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

i was going to ask you if you just determined boq was town

[nutella]

oh wait, for some reason I thought i was counter

mildly towny

[Vulgard]

in general i would like to discuss reads here because i think i've been much more uncooperative this game than i should

[Vulgard]

mildly towny

stop stealing thoughts from my brain

[Syn]

how much of you thinking that post is horrible is predicated on you having me as teamed with wisdom

it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands

[Vulgard]

it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands

the reality of the situation is that i'm not sure how to proceed with wisdom because the way i'm reading them is somewhat similar to the way i was reading illario but my read on illario was wrong

yet i have more instances of this read on wisdom working (for both alignments) than i did for this read on illario working so perhaps i should stick to it and in that case wisdom is a wolf

i'm simply unsure whether i should change my approach here or not

[Achro]

I grimace as I look at the corpse of ladd, torn to shreds in some unknown manner. This was the nature of the beast. An unusual kill, by my estimation. Ladd came off as a happy drunk as we discussed proceedings last night. I take out my notebook from my pocket and flip to my page on Ladd to see what can be gleaned from this.

The first note disgruntles me to admit, but it feels unlikely nutella is apart of any team that would gun down Ladd like this. While I pursued her like a common criminal ladd only expressed complete dismissal over the prospect of having her leave the game early. Ladd was the opposite of a threat to her, an ally in arms it would seem.

The death of Ladd couldn’t point more of a suspicion towards Dyachei if he had wrote her name in blood before being killed. He had been pretty clear in expressing a lack of trust in them on multiple occasions before passing away. Perhaps this is the closure of the case, then. A simple matter of who dunnit and the arrow is pointing at the person Ladd most suspected. Easy.

I think not.

No one here is that amateur, if they were we would have a murderer dead by now. No, this game won’t quite be that simplistic.

My thoughts are interrupted by the sound of Robyn violently vomiting in a trash can in the corner of the room. It would not have been my choice to end Robyn’s life today based on day one, but perhaps the person who did it knows something I do not.

I glance at my notebook a final time and see that ladd joined the crusade Boquise for a short amount of time before pursuing his favorite lead. It’s not nothing, at least.

I see people disperse in the thread into various different directions. Vulgard it appears has moved on from big water Pokemon hunting onto my person. Hmph. Let him run himself ragged chasing me if he wishes, perhaps it will do him some good to stretch his legs.

I have my sights set on a nobler goal. A simple principle, one that is not always in vogue among the elites of the detective world, but one I believe should be illuminating when all of the facts are considered.

You resolve the counter.

Vote: Boq

[Vulgard]

the reality of the situation is that i'm not sure how to proceed with wisdom because the way i'm reading them is somewhat similar to the way i was reading illario but my read on illario was wrong

yet i have more instances of this read on wisdom working (for both alignments) than i did for this read on illario working so perhaps i should stick to it and in that case wisdom is a wolf

i'm simply unsure whether i should change my approach here or not

it would just be really bad if i got two people mled off the same incorrect method of reading them, that's what it boils down to

[Vulgard]

and i don't want to ml wisdom because i like playing with wisdom

my gut feeling is that they're a wolf but the illario flip and the reasoning i used for that push make me wonder if i should reconsider

[robyn]

omg whoever poisoned me is terrible

[Vulgard]

achro what do you think about wisdom now that you're here

also uh

why are you roleplaying now

[robyn]

actually fucking horrendous jfc

[Cape90]

Didn't read overnight, but I do want to look back on stuff.

I noticed that when I was on the nutella wagon people kept flooding in to that wagon, when i swapped to Boquise, those people went right over to Boquise (and Robyn/Rask who was never on nutella but is being resolved today it looks like) with the exception of ladd/Syn.

Okay both wagons were more different then I thought but I have a point to make

Now in terms of Illario voters, who moved off Illario at all to join me?

The answer = NOBODY

I think it's fair to say mafia probably just wanted Illario dead. With that in mind dyachei/Vulgard/Wisdom were all MIA on the Illario wagon at EOD.

Out of those who were there nutella was supporting a dyachei/cape (hey look ma i made it) kill as well while also being on Illario in support of dya I guess.

EnderWiggin's perspective makes sense as town at least in terms of the last thing he said. 1100.

Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

I think Achro is obvious town, Robyn I think is town but is just gonna self resolve here anyways, and I literally sheeped Robyn at EOD and stand by that actually being a very good EOD vote compared to nutella so your welcome if you are town nutella, but I am side-eyeing Rask maybe a little bit at EOD, at least the reactionary side of me is like the reactionary side of me was suspecting nutella.

I mean Rask was sure insistent on just killing Wisdom there and 1152 alone with the "why dya" comment just makes me wanna yeet Rask into the sun but eh. Boq/Rask probably don't cross as mafia there?

I think Boq wagon has decent chance to be pure from where I retrospectively look.

The barely wagon that Robyn had is fine I guess, confirmed town and a uh... Visor was a wagon

ladd was only one on dyachei

I really really really don't trust Lapras if nutella is town

Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why

This readslist is posted right after that.

Lapras in general feels extremely sloppy to me so I could see it being them. Making Visor's town equity go up.

Oh and the people I thought were gonna die at night consisted of literally ladd or me and just the two of us.

So the NK doesn't surprise me in the slightest

[dyachei]

Didn't read overnight, but I do want to look back on stuff.

I noticed that when I was on the nutella wagon people kept flooding in to that wagon, when i swapped to Boquise, those people went right over to Boquise (and Robyn/Rask who was never on nutella but is being resolved today it looks like) with the exception of ladd/Syn.

Okay both wagons were more different then I thought but I have a point to make

Now in terms of Illario voters, who moved off Illario at all to join me?

The answer = NOBODY

I think it's fair to say mafia probably just wanted Illario dead. With that in mind dyachei/Vulgard/Wisdom were all MIA on the Illario wagon at EOD.

Out of those who were there nutella was supporting a dyachei/cape (hey look ma i made it) kill as well while also being on Illario in support of dya I guess.

EnderWiggin's perspective makes sense as town at least in terms of the last thing he said. 1100.

Syn is also someone I do townread, I towned with Syn recently and he has done similar agreeable reaction things. I liked his point on Rask's scumreads feeling a bit random.

I think Achro is obvious town, Robyn I think is town but is just gonna self resolve here anyways, and I literally sheeped Robyn at EOD and stand by that actually being a very good EOD vote compared to nutella so your welcome if you are town nutella, but I am side-eyeing Rask maybe a little bit at EOD, at least the reactionary side of me is like the reactionary side of me was suspecting nutella.

I mean Rask was sure insistent on just killing Wisdom there and 1152 alone with the "why dya" comment just makes me wanna yeet Rask into the sun but eh. Boq/Rask probably don't cross as mafia there?

I think Boq wagon has decent chance to be pure from where I retrospectively look.

The barely wagon that Robyn had is fine I guess, confirmed town and a uh... Visor was a wagon

ladd was only one on dyachei

I really really really don't trust Lapras if nutella is town





This readslist is posted right after that.

Lapras in general feels extremely sloppy to me so I could see it being them. Making Visor's town equity go up.

Oh and the people I thought were gonna die at night consisted of literally ladd or me and just the two of us.

So the NK doesn't surprise me in the slightest

I didnt get home until after deadline, sorry.

[robyn]

LADD GOT NIGHTKILLED AND I HAD THE SAME READS AS HIM WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER POISON ME, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I TRIED TO SAVE ILLARIO AND WAS TOWNSIDIDNG

[robyn]

the complete lack of understanding of gamestate is actually fucking fascinating, i was getting mafia factionaled this game