Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[nutella]

look, syn, you are wrong on me and probably wrong on vulgard (if hes styling on me then whatever clown me in post), but you started this off from being pretty confident on wisdom, so work that one out, case wisdom and convince us all to flip them today and go from there?

[Syn]

do you actually think that i make the vote in the middle of the day, not even sure those wagons would last and they didn't, that put illario ahead of wisdom, if wisdom is my wolf partner? do you think i wouldn't just like, fart around on some vanity vote until eod to see if i had to commit to either bussing or saving? idk i'm trying to actually model what i would do as a wolf with wisdom in that situation and i'm not sure but i don't think it's that exact illario vote at that exact time

the answer to every "do you actually think" question is yes, obviously

[Achro]

Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
raskolnikov
Wisdom

Current list of people I don't really town read independent of random things.

I know that boq/wis isn't a pair but I haven't investigated much of anything because this site's iso feature is kind of gross.

[Achro]

Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
raskolnikov
Wisdom

Current list of people I don't really town read independent of random things.

I know that boq/wis isn't a pair but I haven't investigated much of anything because this site's iso feature is kind of gross.

Hey visor is on here as well. He snuck off that shortlist. Get back on there.

[Syn]

Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'

So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.

thanks

[Syn]

me wasting posts waiting for syn to take a moment to chew it over with a fucking twix when i know that isn't gonna happen bc hes addicted to snapping snarky responses from his tunnel instead

k I'm done playing

[Boquise]

I like that I always get wagoned after I announce going to sleep tbh

It is difficult being Mr Popular

Anywho, this is going to be a busy weekend for me. I am going to squeeze in a few posts here and there but it will be difficult

[Boquise]

boq's later posts are much better than his rough start but i don't know what his reads are

@Boquise

I have Wisdom as v
I think Rask has scum equity if Nutella is v

I am ambivalent on Nutella's alignment

I am weakly town reading DZ/Lapras

Tho honestly, if you've read my posts you should know the first two reads I present here. So why didn't you?

[Boquise]

Oh I am also strongly town reading cape. Since Illario was v I don't think scum!Cape opts to create a counter wagon on me

[Boquise]

i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.

I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh

Oh I don't remember this game
Is this the game where I was celebrating my birthday on D1 and was death tunnelled for thus not having any reads/not being caught up + getting tilted that I was scum read because of that?

[Boquise]

im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game

This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough

they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.

Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...20#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.

And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too

The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.

There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.

I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.

I am currently deciding between rolling over for death or having some vigor. Being counter wagon I realise the risks of being misyeeted are high, but could also be good for the game state. Not having the time plus contemplating whether the effort is worth it. I am kinda at peace with my thread position here

But I will do my best to produce reads and stuff!

[Boquise]

nah he's not a wolf he's just being a pain

Hmmmm

[Boquise]

k I'm done playing

Hmmmmm

[Boquise]

So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics

I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other

But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)

At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?


So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.

[Boquise]

how are you all being so lazy omg

"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"

"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"

no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!

ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time

I am unironically reading this as townie frustration

[Boquise]

Gonna be lazy and say Nutella/Syn v/v for now

[Boquise]

syn might be a wolf especially if boq is, they thought nutella was a wolf pretty strongly but voted nutella at eod which is just terrible

only way syn is a wolf is if syn/boq/rask

but that team is too easy and ladd tr syn/rask

occam's razor syn is town and just played like he did in the amrock 14er where he misunderstands situations and gamestates making him towny

How is me/Rask an option

[Boquise]

forgot to mention some boq thoughts in that wall thing, maybe for the better lol

uh

So I think I made the right choice in sheeping Robyn off of nutella onto Boq, he just is a better vote there.

In terms of the Weedle scumgame that he just played with me in a mash, Weedle very quickly found me out as town and then literally pedestaled me like day 1, and then town were calling out that Weedle was obvious scum like day 2 and I defended Weedle that whole time.

While Boq this game isn't particularly pedastaling me, he found me similarly quick for... literally just for the reason that I read and comprehended and responded to an Achro wall. While it did take effort I guess, it really isn't something out of my scumrange and isn't even an original read. Lapras made a similar read to that (that's 2 sketchy people) but Lapras' case for towncasing me off of that was significantly more substantiated.

Boq didn't talk about my tone

Boq didn't talk about... really anything else until called out upon from it to where Boq basically the second time around copied Lapras' homework and presented that.

I have only seen Boq as town exercise caution while townreading me while as mafia he just flips on a light switch to where he easily townreads me. Every. Single. Time.

I also looked at scumgames over night from Boq and the tone of his postings as scum seemed to match up even here in this thread, which was the little bit I did in terms of looking into today.

VOTE: Boquise

I still like this for those reasons and am happy to hear counterarguments but I think I did a towny thing for ONCE in an EOD.

Well actually there was that Appa thing from my town anon Avatar game so make that a double whopper.

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dyachei is also an okay option. I just would have felt bad flipping them the most if they were town and it would have been a very shrug yeet if I had voted dya there.

I have also town read you easily as town which has made you confused. Then iirc I was burned in one game and I began being cautious, though now I have worked up some confidence again. Given that I have both scummed and towned in games where you are town, I have felt like I have got a good grip on how you post as town. However my town read of you for processing Achro's wall when no one else cared is a good one but also not a strong town read.

That you started a last minute cw on town me when the main wagon was town is something I don't see scum does, because had I flipped there, you would look pretty bad (but also dragged down Illario with you so idk, maybe it is a more viable strat than I originally thought)

[Achro]

Heya boq. What are your current thoughts on a poe atm? Did eod shift anything for your reads?

[Boquise]

literally told you why I'd be limited

I get voted for being limited in what I'm able to look at.

I'm used to this from nutella but I expect more from some of you

also the way i approached illario was FIRMLY in my village meta thanks

I think this is more likely to come from town!Dya. When they are town, they disallow scum reads on them for meta reasons firmly, whereas as scum they try to but it doesn't come off with the same aggression

[Boquise]

LADD GOT NIGHTKILLED AND I HAD THE SAME READS AS HIM WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER POISON ME, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I TRIED TO SAVE ILLARIO AND WAS TOWNSIDIDNG

They realised I was poison type and immune to being poisoned

And you are a gecko

Such is life

[Boquise]

I was going to say that Robyn could be a womf who tries to muddy the waters by saying that me/Rask are wolves because i don't think that's really something one thinks

But knowing Lucy, that outburst at sod2 is strictly in her town play so that's rough

[Boquise]

Heya boq. What are your current thoughts on a poe atm? Did eod shift anything for your reads?

sup

Lemme see...

V in different strengths:
Nutella
Syn
Cape*
Lapras*
Wisdom*
Vulgard*
Robyn
Dya

Idk:
Achro
Visor
Ender

Scum?
Rask*

* = I need to revisit these reads
Initially town read Cape for the cw, but after thinking i could see a scum strat. However i dont think wolf!cape meta dives me get me misyeeted so like eh

Wisdom, Lapras, Vulgard reads just gotta get updated through seeing what they do today

Have zero reads on you, Visor, Ender - I was hoping that you would be NK'd so I wouldn't have to make a read but such is life.

Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found

[Boquise]

Ok i have been here for an hour now. Time to jet tbh

[Wisdom]

I dreamt that I ran a 5km track for nerds together with Boq and Syn and I got lost because I didn't see how the path went into a magic bookshelf but still ended up with a time of 32min somehow.

[Wisdom]

how are you all being so lazy omg

"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"

"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"

no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!

ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time

Listen to the dead people fam :3

[Wisdom]

Lol
...
We're neighbors!

[Wisdom]

look, syn, you are wrong on me and probably wrong on vulgard (if hes styling on me then whatever clown me in post), but you started this off from being pretty confident on wisdom, so work that one out, case wisdom and convince us all to flip them today and go from there?

That's fam!

I'm pretty sure that you and Syn are both town, that?s prett much my strongest reads. I just need to find a pelt and convince you two so we can start working together!

[Wisdom]

That's fam!

I'm pretty sure that you and Syn are both town, that?s prett much my strongest reads. I just need to find a pelt and convince you two so we can start working together!

Thanks*

[Wisdom]

I was going to say that Robyn could be a womf who tries to muddy the waters by saying that me/Rask are wolves because i don't think that's really something one thinks

But knowing Lucy, that outburst at sod2 is strictly in her town play so that's rough

Wait, Robyn = Lucy?