Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Cape90]

so top three wolves rn cape?

a very unexciting boq/wisdom/lapras

[robyn]

ladd didn?t tr
illario didn?t wanna kill you today
i?ve also never misread you

i am being original in my reads and you have 8h to get out of wolf meta which you?re in

i?ve just read two of your games

so please, elaborate on your reads and gamestate and whatnot

it's been 8h and wisdom didn't show up all day and give any reads or anything that i asked for multiple times

the read that can easily be meta cased is that

1) wisdom has an extremely hard time entering and playing a game as scum
2) she never has proactive reads as scum, purely reactive ones

that summarizes her play this game and she's just not been here, that's ai and summarizes my case

people can compare her scum and town games like i did but she's squarely within wolf meta and never bothered to play this all day, 1:22am in sweden, i gave her the rest of the day for their country and they never barely seen here in the thread when they said they'd be home and write a post about gamestate and me and stuff + reactive with her boq interactions

[Cape90]

there's a reason why MD should be trying to go onto deepwolves instead of people that are sussed

[Cape90]

@nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.

That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.

what exactly makes you feel semi-cleared?

[Cape90]

I'm kinda thinking that ladd might be wolfing?

Nog sure if that's just omgus though. He's played with me to recognise that this is a common position for me d1, not sure why he's adding fuel to the fire.

im not sure wisdom exactly kills ladd here. not impossible i suppose

i somewhat liked Wisdom's read on Syn day 1 too

[Cape90]

I actually read the content of this post now.

I'm gonna keep dismiss your wolf reads on me as being shiz and giggles, makes me feel better about it!

I'm sorry I lack charm though, that tends to happen when phone playing ^^'

this post is decent. but the post Syn is referring to is... not unfortunately

However, I'm more used to being town read by wolves than wolf read by wolves (or at least those wolves who has wolf read me lately has been kinda outting about it). That's what made me read Cape wrong last time, but I think he's just town now. Boq has made a similar town read on me as town before but I feel that he's being a bit... empty right now.

Meanwhile Syn's and Rask's wolf read on me seems to mostly be for shiz and giggles (We're out of game friends fyi).

Welcome to Wisdom reads people based on how they read them.

as syn said, it does seem dismissive of the push that Wisdom was receiving.

[Cape90]

wisdom can you xpain why you wolfread visor initially?

dont think you ever explained


also why did you give up on thinking visor was a wolf cause everyone villaread him? seems weird given last game

Because I found him being "funny but dismissive" (as in the bla bla deez nutz post) to remind me of something from last game.

And yes, last game I wolf read him d1, got n1'd and he wo, so I should obviously trust myself more than others. But he won because people tr'd how he treated his wolf mates, today people has called him town based on his play. In addition, I find his deflation towny regardless of what others think about me reading people that way.

@ladd

meh im not the biggest fan of this

[Cape90]

i read Wisdom in a similar light to boq after looking back, though I feel like Wisdom's reasons to townread people are just slightly more straight forward

[Cape90]

it's been 8h and wisdom didn't show up all day and give any reads or anything that i asked for multiple times

the read that can easily be meta cased is that

1) wisdom has an extremely hard time entering and playing a game as scum
2) she never has proactive reads as scum, purely reactive ones

that summarizes her play this game and she's just not been here, that's ai and summarizes my case

people can compare her scum and town games like i did but she's squarely within wolf meta and never bothered to play this all day, 1:22am in sweden, i gave her the rest of the day for their country and they never barely seen here in the thread when they said they'd be home and write a post about gamestate and me and stuff + reactive with her boq interactions

this might be a silly question but:
what is the difference between proactive and reactive reads?

[robyn]

@nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.

That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...90#post6426190

[robyn]

this might be a silly question but:
what is the difference between proactive and reactive reads?

don't make me do all the critical thinking

[Vulgard]

yeah sure whatever

Vote: Wisdom

i honestly don't care

[Vulgard]

the result on boq makes him less likely wolf by the setup's nature because there's a wolf role with a compulsive night action and i don't have a reason to defend wisdom

[Vulgard]

@robyn ender's posts are fine tonally and he's given some decent reads

he hasn't affected the game much though

i'd say he's fine because he seems comfortable and just chilling, one of the first people i'd revisit if our direction is wrong though

[dyachei]

yeah sure whatever

Vote: Wisdom

i honestly don't care

im giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

unvote: wisdom

[robyn]

stop voting wisdom, hammer is only allowed 5m from eod so i can finish this out

[Vulgard]

lapras randomly shading me from the sidelines when i'm not even talking about him anymore is noted

the fact he's pushing me and achro here is towny though, i don't think a wolf takes that line

[Vulgard]

im giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

unvote: wisdom

i'm giving you the look the cat in your avatar is giving

[Vulgard]

there's a lot of people in this game who aren't affecting it very much but they can't all be wolves

[Achro]

there's a lot of people in this game who aren't affecting it very much but they can't all be wolves

We're actually all wolves except for you, and this game is a prank specifically on you.

[Vulgard]

cape/nutella are my strongest villas
rask and syn right below
ender is "okay enough"
then achro/boq/dya/lapras/visor/wisdom is a colossal pool of players where i think the wolves are

lapras having me/achro as wolves is towny imo, i can't think of much else in his favor though

having laid it out like this i'm concerned about the push on wisdom not being a hit because i haven't seen any wisdom defenders other than boq

that said boq defending wisdom here is bad for him regardless of wisdom's alignment because he's the other wagon so coupled with the md result maybe he is town

[Vulgard]

dya do you think we should go visor

[Vulgard]

We're actually all wolves except for you, and this game is a prank specifically on you.

okay who do you think is a wolf

[Vulgard]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

[dyachei]

dya do you think we should go visor

not sure

he's not trying to pocket me like last game but his reads are bad and idk how he got there

[dyachei]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

i dnt have him as anything

[Achro]

okay who do you think is a wolf

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

[Achro]

Also for @robyn

I find Vul's play around me to feel pretty predatory now that I think about it more. When I was not well liked Vul was writing a diss track on me, but as soon as thread perception begins to turn just a little bit with a few people liking me more we get "oh geesh, is this a skill issue my fellow townies?" which gives off bad vibes in certain flip worlds.

[Achro]

team is wisdom/nutella/vulgard

thanks bye

[robyn]

achro town lol