Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Achro]

achro town lol

I will miss you.

Was that what you were looking for? ISOing is kind of a pain on this site so I just mostly went off memory for the Vul sections, if you want my perspective on anything else just let me know I am chilling since I can't offer a whole lot on meta discussions.

[EnderWiggin]

cc

i saw motion at raskols mum last night

Can confirm. I was the motion at Raskol's mum last night.

[EnderWiggin]

btw i'm town motion detector with a no movement on boq

I think this raises it from top 10 worst poisons to actually probably the worst town poison lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

@Achro

Haven't been present because I've been pretty busy tbh. Had a thing with partner and then prepping for D&D (Which starts in 30m) and today is going to mostly be a wash in terms of time.

I do join these games on here with the explicit idea I'm going to be chill.

I'll make reads and answer questions and give thoughts as I have em.

At the moment I'm happy with Wisdom sus and have nothing much else to care about.

[robyn]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

[Achro]

@Achro

Haven't been present because I've been pretty busy tbh. Had a thing with partner and then prepping for D&D (Which starts in 30m) and today is going to mostly be a wash in terms of time.

I do join these games on here with the explicit idea I'm going to be chill.

I'll make reads and answer questions and give thoughts as I have em.

At the moment I'm happy with Wisdom sus and have nothing much else to care about.

That's fine, but you can't be too surprised when you are in my PoE. This is not "wow Ender isn't talking GUESS THAT'S A WOLF TELL" but more "I don't remember Ender very well, so he fits in."

I want this to be a chill game tbh so that's cool

[Achro]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

God damnit Robyn lol.

[Visor]

wisdom/dya/rask

?

[Cape90]

cape/nutella are my strongest villas
rask and syn right below
ender is "okay enough"
then achro/boq/dya/lapras/visor/wisdom is a colossal pool of players where i think the wolves are

lapras having me/achro as wolves is towny imo, i can't think of much else in his favor though

having laid it out like this i'm concerned about the push on wisdom not being a hit because i haven't seen any wisdom defenders other than boq

that said boq defending wisdom here is bad for him regardless of wisdom's alignment because he's the other wagon so coupled with the md result maybe he is town

you were just sheeping the read that I was town, how does that make me the strongest town u have?

[Cape90]

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

it's WIFOM whichever way you think about it, I have my own reasons to believe Achro is being genuine in his assessments and the RP thing wasn't really that convincing from your end

[Cape90]

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.





I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

[Cape90]

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

we as in me and Wisdom, not achro

[Cape90]

rescinding my pr claim

wisdom is still a hit

these are some good reactions

i hope you got mafia to find real MD

[Cape90]

can u believe robyn rescinded as soon as they were sure they found the real MD and who MD wasn't out of that for their mafia team

SMH

[Cape90]

Look back at the first message

The mafia kill is assigned to someone

im guessing this is predetermined and mafia cannot choose who kills

[Syn]

im not sure wisdom exactly kills ladd here. not impossible i suppose

i somewhat liked Wisdom's read on Syn day 1 too

this post is decent. but the post Syn is referring to is... not unfortunately



as syn said, it does seem dismissive of the push that Wisdom was receiving.

y u pocketing me

[Syn]

btw @Syn come back im sorry i have copied your solve and replaced myself with cape lettuce team up against a shared enemy

i was skeptical of this idea but i am warming to it given cape's odd shift in his approach in the last few hours

[Syn]

the last three baiting posts are something else too

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1727

wisdom 4 syn raskolnikov nutella vulgard
dyachei 1 wisdom
raskolnikov 1 visor
ender 1 boquise
achro 1 lapras

Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23

[nutella]

i hope you got mafia to find real MD

ugh kinda had the thought when they rescinded

prob better to drop the whole topic but it does make me worry a little about their flip

just annoying tbh

Look back at the first message

The mafia kill is assigned to someone

im guessing this is predetermined and mafia cannot choose who kills

dunno what you're getting at here, usually standard for them to be able to choose

[nutella]

i was skeptical of this idea but i am warming to it given cape's odd shift in his approach in the last few hours

im (surprise surprise) going back and forth on cape

but once i started entertaining w!vulgard i cant really unsee it, and now achro is there too

[Syn]

vote: unvote

i want visor to have the time

[nutella]

just doing the classic nutella strategy of hard townreading and hard wolfreading every player throughout the game so i can say i was right when i was also wrong

[robyn]

i hope you got mafia to find real MD

i either did this or provided the best md cover in history

[Wisdom]

what exactly makes you feel semi-cleared?

The "you guys should flash wagon Boq when I sleep" post (which is what also happened). I would bus that way as it just helps town and gives me no cred.

Away for a bit longer, sorry.

Been thinking about Boq, Vulgard and Cape. Hopefully I get time to case that.

[Raskolnikov]

Why can't I be like visor
Do absolutely nothing and coast without being everybody's favorite topic

Why isn't Rask saying v?sor is coasting
Hmmmmm

lmao

visor prolly just a wolf for suggesting my name without actual reasonning for 2 days now. also doing nothing but associative reads smh.

[Raskolnikov]

so i debated whether i would say this out loud or at least wait til eod in case i die tn but i currently think that if wisdom flips w the other two are exactly vulgard and cape

both are pushing p hard to resolve boq today (sidenote that achro is too but he feels more like town to me now), i think it is quite possible that vulgard deliberately went for the hard pocket of me and once i caught a seed of paranoia he doesnt feel that lock town knowing hes a good wolf, cape pushed the cw yday in a way i think was generally wolfy and is now pulling sources to back up the boq push but idk it feels less right and wisdom feels more like a hit to me atm, both are just like good wolves in their ranges and influencing the thread to all the right degrees and pushing all the right buttons to position themselves well and emulate solving


idk how much ill stick with this view (lolme) but it's been kind of working in the back of my head all day and kinda clicked in the shower and *feels* like the kind of team we have in this gamestate

could see this btw. wis/cape looked aligned to me D1 (didn't post about it iirc)

[Raskolnikov]

@Cape90: early tr on Visor was a meta tonal read. good for D1 but that's about it tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Oh. Rip

Unvote: boq

Achro, Boq can still be the backup fwiw. (robyn has no green on Boq)

[Raskolnikov]

the result on boq makes him less likely wolf by the setup's nature because there's a wolf role with a compulsive night action and i don't have a reason to defend wisdom

you are the third willing to post this (achro, cape, you). the setups nature makes it the back up never carry the kill till he has alive partner. that's about it. Any other deduction is wrong. robyn's result is worth nothing as it stands.