Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think Dya is lock clear but prolly can't articulate why they would be a wolf either. There are a lot of "not ww takes" and they fit in a lot of teams but it's still pretty rand.

Meanwhile, nutella has been voting nothing but dead villagers, will flip me, a villager, and was still expecting the NK... uwu.

[Raskolnikov]

also just reread EOD2 and it was fun to see Cape posting minutes after the flip and Benneh's "stfu" post. lol.

I am tempted to angleshoot that but won't

[Raskolnikov]

@EnderWiggin: I really dont wanna read another ISO rn so stop working and post ur second peek so we can have some fun

[EnderWiggin]

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

[Vulgard]

so is rask a wolf or not ender

[Achro]

So Rask's mum called and told me to post second result.

And I figure it's late enough to reveal that it says nothing more at all.

Full disclaimer:
Rask's motion was N2 not N1. I was planning to accuse Rask of motion whenever I decided to claim regardless of actual results because:
1. I thought he was wolfy
2. The meme potential

That being said:
Raskol did have motion n2.

Still not a wolf check but still raises wolf stocks.

N1 I got motion on Robyn.

I wanted to put pressure with a intimation of second motion because then wolves have to worry about scrutiny on a second slot.

I honestly think Cape is town but "Raskol treated him not w/w" kinda doesn't work if I'm just wrong and Rask is green.

I'm tired and still have work to do though so I will be back later.

(And have an early day tomorrow so tbh idk if I'll have time to do anything today.)

Au revoir from your latest useless pr.

Well, let's add JOAT equity into the mix

final two messages about Rask from Visor

wisdom/dya/rask

?

Raskols posts overnight are good

vote: wisdom

So it's possible Visor targeted Rask since Rask was on his mind, but I don't know if the flip of wisdom would have changed anything. Could be a hint that he was going to do something with Rask that night though by name dropping him specifically.

Doesn't change that the reaction of "don't counter if you're MD" is like, the worst possible take but I don't know how nuanced Rask's mechanical takes are.

[EnderWiggin]

so is rask a wolf or not ender

GTH? Yeah

Mech? Clear as slightly opaque mud

[Raskolnikov]

I don't know how nuanced Rask's mechanical takes are.

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

[Achro]

it's pretty obvious I had not thought fully about the MD stuff before Ender posted but I wouldn't make it a definitive statement. (for instance my mech takes on last TS anni G2 was above average... but y prolly potatoed hard here)

c'est la vie.

I don't know why Vulg is asking for Ender's read like this. It's pretty clear Ender hasn't mech on me so why ask for a definitive call like that? Feels like he is puppeting Ender

Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

[Raskolnikov]

final words Ender: I think a claim like "I am the MD, I have motion but unconclusive ones" would have yielded better results.

I take my share of this disaster fwiw.

[Achro]

Thought exercise

Ender Town, Rask town

Two different scum team branches

Vul/Cape branch
Boq/Lapras branch

Nut/Syn/Dya left over to cookie piece the last slot of either of those teams.

Syn and Dya I don't really have a fantastic grasp on atm, guess I need to read.

[Raskolnikov]

Man, that's really hard to accept though. Like I think Visor was mentioning Robyn a lot day 1 close to EOD (iirc he was voting them at the end) so calling you out specifically could mean something, probably enough by itself that most of the mech % equity of your alignment that I was talking about earlier. But you just plain acted guilty for awhile there.

I didn't read it like you because I play a lot with him and we kinda appreciate each other (nah, mostly him, he is a potatoe and I hate him). SO it's pretty obvious he will single me out at one point for whatever reason. Either straight up voting me, or just calling me a wolf, or meme about my mum. U can see how he has been tinfoiling my slot (because that's the word here actually. he never articulated it).

Now I can see him post that even if he wolf read me if he is about to roleblock me, y.

But I dunno, I just think I was townie pushing Wisdom :D so took it at face value ("yeah, Visor is finally seeing it'" kinda )

[Raskolnikov]

fwiw I thought nutella was the joat and it was my sole reason to tr that slot.

[Achro]

fwiw I thought nutella was the joat and it was my sole reason to tr that slot.

What's your top to bottom list atm?

[Achro]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

[Achro]

Hm, assuming I suddenly learned Nutella was a wolf she would fit with boq/lapras easily enough I think. In worlds where Illario/Boq was V/W Nutella switching back to illario and refusing to go on a Boq adventure has pretty easy motives to see. Nutella has also been a supporter of mine when I dig my claws into Cape today.

It feels counter intuitive for nutella to both echo my cape/vul world and say stuff like she expects to die. It feels pretty dangerous to be bussing your team and noting you don't expect to live in front of the whole world.

second paragraph was thinking of fit with cape/vul world I am building.

[Achro]

@EnderWiggin can you please look at Lapras' reaction to me linking them with Boq and tell me iyo if this sounds like frustrated town being pinned by me for something stupid or wolf who is trying to make me look stupid when I nailed them?

You've seen my seeming wild theories be both very wrong and very right, so want your take on tis.

[Achro]

why do you continue to town-read me if you think my wolf-read is nonsense?

oh I guess you don't town-read me

wtf

why aren't you like

doing anything against me if you wolf-read me back lol

This was said to Wisdom, so I know this type of question and reaction is non-paired in this instance. Let's see if Syn reacts this way to others.

what happened to trusting my reads compadre

Same type of smartass remark to a flipped town. Again, non-paired confirmed between these two.

horrible post m'lord

Same type of smartass post as above, but to unflipped Vulgard this time.

it's okay i'll shield you

this has never backfired on me in the past

Self-aware post in response to Dya

it's just super apparent to me that the way you wrote that post allows you to pick either direction on wisdom and claim credit however it lands

This observation of Vul's post feels crisp and unpaired. I don't expect wolves to attack each other between the margins like Syn is doing here with Vul. There's bite to it.

nutella literally open wolfing in front of your eyes and nobody cares

Accusing your scumbuddy of open wolfing feels 'pretty stupid' with no outed power day 2.

nutella and vulgard literally double-teaming the schrodinger's wisdom read

Same type of smartass response about nutella/vul as he had to dead town.

is it more or less wild than shrug-chopping boquise because a last-second flash-wagon failed on d1 with everyone collectively adopting the revisionist history take of "illario was super townie actually"

Talks to Ender directly about Boq, but unless I missed it hasn't really said anything to Boq up until this point.

Interesting.

that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed

(i dismissed you too so lol me)

Gives a town read of me through implication and is self-aware enough to acknowledge that they treated me the same way as other potential wolves have. Feels pretty icky.

really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

in response to me asking how Nutella is open wolfing, yeah this isn't going to be paired.

y u pocketing me

smartass replay to Cape

there's a wolf slip in this post tbh

About Wisdom. Oops.

i am dead on the inside

but alive enough to vote: Vulgard

There is no tension at all within Syn when he goes in on Vul, I don't think this is bussing.

do I really need to explain why a wolf would deign to pretend and lie in a mafia game

More smartass-ness with cape in line with how Syn treated dead town. I don't think Syn/Cape are paired

hey raskol do you remember visor's low-power 13er on MU

frog's reaction to me "red-checking" him?

you're copying that right now

rask are you a wolf

you have to be honest or I'll cry

Treating Rask similarly to how he treated dead town.

So, I think if Rask is a hit Syn is never a wolf with Rask tbh.

But if I am entertaining Rask v worlds, that bit about not wanting Boq to be run up day 2 when unless I missed it (I could have missed it, isoing here is weird) he hasn't really interacted much with Boq this game is very, very interesting to me.

[Achro]

Oh wait, the iso feature is missing like the first 70 or so Syn posts because it only gave me 100

what is this sorcery

[Achro]

okay a quick ctrl f of the early game just kind of back up my thoughts on some of syn's unaligned pairings, so fair enough.

[Achro]

Okay I have placed everyone on ignore to try to get through Rask?s iso faster, amazing gameplay by me tbh. Just going to assume Rask is a wolf for this read through as I am working on unaligning people from Rask, if he is V then zzz.

I think the way rask treats Syn to start the game is unaligned tbh.

Asks Lapras to carry him, yeah I could see that being w/w from the little I have gathered about Rask.

lmao skill (and format) issue.

Interesting to note Rask has acted like a snapping turtle at times for being suspected, but Lapras? misformatted vote here on him draws a laugh instead. Feels different than how he treated me when I thought I was shading him with Ender/Wisdom earlier in the game so that might be a difference check.

Guesses that Lapras is Jdizz. I thought that him having no idea who I was meant he was probably uninformed so does this clear Lapras? A point in favor at least, but it feels textured different than his confusion surrounding me which had some reasoning behind it.

ok new alt read, Lapras > Mac. (I confused him with Acro who is the person Robyn invited I guess)

Okay this is starting to feel a little performative.

I also imagine given their early games it is possible that Boq/Lapras never bothered to talk much in wolf chat and that?s why Rask didn?t know who I was lol.

@Achro: I am following closely, mostly because I find the bold part agendy.

@Vulgard: can you articulate what u found tonally wolfy in MacLapras's post about Robyn's read? Also, why do you like votes on nutella?

Point in favor of Rask/Vul not being W/W

you will hate us when we cfd you after you went to bed
@Syn: your takes are good. illario/Vulgard have equity but would expect them to be a tidit less obvious (page 3 posts are eeck)

This post feels a lot like a pocket of Syn tbh.
Rask was pushing vul as w/w with illario earlier.

DZ, put a "vote: " before your votes. (Sunbae/Benneh will Ctrl-f it)

Like this vote: Lapras

There is such a lack of heat between Rask/Lapras early that it sticks out like a sore thumb.

bruh but I don't really believe u didn't get his post so wolfy

Defends Boq from Nutella

u keep streaking lol.

short answer: no.

I am saying you are fake derping to bring a JOAT chat itt and get PR reads out of it.

[vote]nutella[/vote]

Random thing to theatre about if this is w/w?

See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.

nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)

Same lack of heat with Lapras is present with Boq early on. Just very chill stuff.

Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

Focuses on me and Wisdom with just a mention of Boq?s random vote. Follows up by voting Wisdom without mentioning Boq here:

vote: Wisdom

Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.

Me and Wisdom are SUSPICIOUS (although I wasn?t even shading him lol projection much) but Boq escapes without even a mention, just that it is ?random?

Yeah I have other stuff to do but as of right now my team is Rask/Boq/Lapras

[Achro]

Oh this forum does not like when I use google docs and copy and paste it over. Alright.

[dyachei]

Is this why u TR me?

what? No. I don't read people town because they post walls. I was town reading you because I liked your d1 posts. I agreed with multiple thoughts. I haven't reread you because it seems onerous

what would this have done for your read on Visor?

well, i was hoping to get ANY read on visor. I can usually work pretty well with him on solving and he didn't give me anything to work with

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin can you please look at Lapras' reaction to me linking them with Boq and tell me iyo if this sounds like frustrated town being pinned by me for something stupid or wolf who is trying to make me look stupid when I nailed them?

You've seen my seeming wild theories be both very wrong and very right, so want your take on tis.

I don't have the time for that tbh.

I'm about 50% away from collapsing in exhaustion and I gotta be up early tomorrow for a flight so this is literally last moment I have and I'm too tired for like anything.

Vote: Raskol

Tbh if this is town then I fucked up big time lmao.

But at least I'll be joining him shortly after.

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh Achro seems towny in this page.

And if Rask is wolf I find it unlikely that Nutella/Cape are wolves.

But if Rask is town then I probably need to think about Vul more.

That's like my last legacy thoughts.

Be great to yourselves.

Be heroes.

[Raskolnikov]

What's your top to bottom list atm?

Syn/boq/dya

Ender/Achro/Cape

Vulgard/Lapras

nutella

rouhgly.

I liked your ISO of Syn fwiw. AS I said it's not impossible dude just fooled me since his style is smh very specific (I said earlier I didn't believe this was his wolf game because I don't think he has the range to reproduce it, simply because I have not witnessed it before). I watched a couple of his wolf games, but these were a long time ago and he was outed pretty quickly iirc. Maybe it's the game he prooves me wrong. In which case I also agree there is equity with Boq, and also with Dya.

With hindsight, I liked how Cape and you treated me with respect to Ender's claim, while nutella and Lapras straight railed me, but not live, once my little explosion had happened. But maybe that's too straightforward. I dunno. I imagine wolves licking one's slips in wc reading my posts after Ender's claim.

[Raskolnikov]

Tbh Achro seems towny in this page.

And if Rask is wolf I find it unlikely that Nutella/Cape are wolves.

But if Rask is town then I probably need to think about Vul more.

That's like my last legacy thoughts.

Be great to yourselves.

Be heroes.

su in DVC tmr

[Raskolnikov]

vote: nutella

[dyachei]

i only have equity with boq because I think he's speaking more sense than a lot of other people here

[Achro]

i only have equity with boq because I think he's speaking more sense than a lot of other people here

@dyachei what do you think is Boq's best post this game?