13er summer game thread

[Cape90]

I feel like I am wasting my time looking at katze, it's obvious by this point they are town

They way they have handled the Achro thing

There was like this post directed at dya where dya used some wolfy sounding logic to defend me and got called out.

You know what, on the topic of dya, they have also pointed out that they have hardly noticed me. Now I find this interesting because now I am thinking even though I have made posts this game, hardly anyone is engaging with the ideas I have put down, as simplistic as they may have been. Something is maybe going on, it kinda makes me wanna point fingers at ladd oddly enough for reasons, I will check back on that later.

Just 229 in general LOL

Also it's obvious katze is talking through things with themselves. I believe this is in a towny way, just look at how they ramble about benneh (who I am leaning heavily as town as of about right now) for instance.

[Winston Hughes]

@insomnia

where are you on katze?

[ladd]

@ladd

sell me on cape

started the game with a bunch of commentary on the achro thing with no real purpose when as a wolf it was the easiest thing to talk about

next pop ins it felt like he didnt actually care nor truly had any belief in any of his reads (see: his reads on benneh and visor). posting to post etc..



seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

could be wrong but:

[dyachei]

I feel like I am wasting my time looking at katze, it's obvious by this point they are town

They way they have handled the Achro thing

There was like this post directed at dya where dya used some wolfy sounding logic to defend me and got called out.

You know what, on the topic of dya, they have also pointed out that they have hardly noticed me. Now I find this interesting because now I am thinking even though I have made posts this game, hardly anyone is engaging with the ideas I have put down, as simplistic as they may have been. Something is maybe going on, it kinda makes me wanna point fingers at ladd oddly enough for reasons, I will check back on that later.

Just 229 in general LOL

Also it's obvious katze is talking through things with themselves. I believe this is in a towny way, just look at how they ramble about benneh (who I am leaning heavily as town as of about right now) for instance.

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

[Winston Hughes]

seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

aye, i get that

but who could be his buddies?

and why have they played it like this?

[insomnia]

@insomnia

where are you on katze?

i dunno. i don't share the view that he's as villagery as other people say tho

wouldn't lunch him before cape

[Winston Hughes]

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

[dyachei]

keeping you on your toes

that post from cape is lashing out at everyone. I'd expect v!cape to continue solving

[ladd]

aye, i get that

but who could be his buddies?

and why have they played it like this?

probably 2 from ender/sk/visor and if not then katze (tho i kinda doubt it now tbh)/taffy

i think of the last 4 invitationals i played 3 have ended in a d1 lunch on a wolf with almost no resistance, i dont really think about "why it'd play out like this" I am just trying to lunch the person with the highest odds of being a wolf

[Winston Hughes]

wouldn't lunch him before cape

apologies for making you repeat yourself, but can you explain again why you're set on cape?

[Winston Hughes]

probably 2 from ender/sk/visor and if not then katze (tho i kinda doubt it now tbh)/taffy

i think of the last 4 invitationals i played 3 have ended in a d1 lunch on a wolf with almost no resistance, i dont really think about "why it'd play out like this" I am just trying to lunch the person with the highest odds of being a wolf

ah, that's decent meta

did scum win all the games in the end?

[ladd]

ah, that's decent meta

did scum win all the games in the end?

2 out of 3 iirc

[Winston Hughes]

keeping you on your toes

that post from cape is lashing out at everyone. I'd expect v!cape to continue solving

ah, i see

didn't parse that as aggressive myself

probably should have kept my mouth shut

[insomnia]

apologies for making you repeat yourself, but can you explain again why you're set on cape?

like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers. my confidence grew as others were posting

then i just didn't buy most of his reads, as well as him being commentary-ish

i made a slightly more detailed post on it if you wanna check it out

[Winston Hughes]

so katze and achro can't post for the next 15

i suggest we make it a thunderdome between them by the time they get back

[Winston Hughes]

like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers

do you find the odd one out is usually scum?

[Cape90]

went to check benneh only because they were next on the SBPC spectrum

Not as towny as I had thought in my head, I have found little to really say because it seemed like benneh was kinda bouncing off people who had villagerier points and like 308 with the suspicion on Ender somewhat voiced here was pretty mediocre, this is keeping in mind that before this, benneh did ask dya their read on EnderWiggin.

I think benneh's posting has been ~fine, I still think 147 is just a post that usually always comes from villager. Like why care as mafia about a townread your getting, like wolf would likely just take it and shut up.

middle of the road, probably towards the bottom of my reads just because he's bounced a lot off other people who I am finding townier insom/kinda Cuth (but would have to read more there)

[insomnia]

do you find the odd one out is usually scum?

it makes it more likely. i could be wrong obv, this works way less on d1 and esp in a playerlist like this. but it's a combo of that and his general posting that makes me ok with it

don't think i can substantiate it to a satisfying degree of what it is that's wrong, it's just a "see it and you feel it" type of thing w/r/t his takes and how he approached the game.

[SilverKeith]

Helloooo

what did I miss

[Visor]

Uh I definitely voted cape?

Vote: Cape90

@Raskolnikov

[Winston Hughes]

if cape is scum, his buddies have just left him to swing

i'm not sure anyone gets big credit from him flipping red

[Winston Hughes]

shit feels on rails and i hate it

[Raskolnikov]

While the tally remains largely (totally) unchanged,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

let me introduce to you this allegoric gif of the mafia game:



EOD in 1h 6 minutes or so.

Vote at :0 good, at :01 bad

Cappers can post at EOD minus 1 hour (ie very soon, go get them)

[Raskolnikov]

Uh I definitely voted cape?

Vote: Cape90

@Raskolnikov

Cape(5): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze, Visor
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

[Visor]

this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty


atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)

[nebjiamn]

Helloooo

what did I miss

there were horses and a man on fire and dya killed a guy with a trident

[dyachei]

vote: Silverkeith

[Cape90]

hi. I'm here and can chat. you feel very...aggressive right now.

I feel like I have been aggro recently with my games. I'm gonna be less about chit-chatting right now in real time, and just spend time just compiling my thoughts since I haven't spent enough time here in this thread to have a clear picture of everyone.

I don't see the post as lashing out at everyone, like yeah, the first line is aggro but I am actually chill, but im also aggro at the same time LOL, like I am not angry right now in the slightest.

started the game with a bunch of commentary on the achro thing with no real purpose when as a wolf it was the easiest thing to talk about

next pop ins it felt like he didnt actually care nor truly had any belief in any of his reads (see: his reads on benneh and visor). posting to post etc..



seems the odd one out in a villagery thread

could be wrong but:

I beleived in my reads. They weren't the most solid reads in the world but I believed in them.

Posting to post is fair enough, I was under the impression of this being a chill game. My mistake :).

ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod

This worldview probably only comes from town so welcome to lazy towncore before I actually dig into you. If you are wolf, enjoy it while it lasts :D

[Cape90]

wait EOD is that soon

oh

Well gl LMAO, I will just super skim then

[Achro]

So some things.

No idea how to read into cape being wrong on 3 different posts about scum tells when I am town. I wonder if this is genuine or appearing to be solving an active slot to buy himself time? What are my scum tells in those posts @Cape90 although if you are town at least you know to throw them away next time. Cape are we having a pokemash moment or a smas all stars moment? Hard to tell with you tbh

Anyway much has been made about my insecurity as it were. Jokes on you I took a binding vow at the beginning of 2023 that every time in a game I mention I am flawed, I have imperfect skills, and I have weaknesses my skills actually sharpen and I bend reality to make it so my team always wins.

I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed. I am 15-1 as town. 9-0 as wolf. I am skilled, calm, and ferociously violent as either alignment if need be but mostly chill and here for a good time not a long time. I believe my town game is crisper than ever and my ability to both lead and follow has improved. My read are crystal-like in their clarity and I re evaluate very well these days. As scum my games and the fear I leave behind will speak for themselves.

Ok, so clearly I literally know I am awesome. So what's the deal with what I said earlier? All of that I just rambled about is true but also I recognize that I DO struggle more without meta at times and I do often use posting to help me in scum hunting through real time interactions and sneaky lines of inquiry and play. 50 feels rough compared to I believe the 80 or 100 of the previous game.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that fake solving as a wolf and actually figuring out people are very different experiences with limited posts. And if they aren't then they are to me. I guess you can murder me if you want if you think for some weird reason wolf achro faked this sentiment and then proceeded to do his best to solve before post capping. Don't really get it tbh. That post cap didn't obstruct me from wolfing because I just needed to fake solve. I worry for this post cap because I need to actually solve. I feel we may be speaking different languages. Also I posted almost double post cap because you said the game ended in 5 days but I 0 posted day 5 because town messed up and voted before I could post. Just FYI. I THINK this is town from you but also you running this like a treadmill is a little confusing. My solving has clearly at this point been eventful. Sorry for showing a little humility I guess I can turn up the ego if you like lmao. I know that's not what you are saying yeah yeah, it is just the ultimate mountain out of a mole hill and would never be wolf indicative for me. My posting after doesnt really fit into this narrative as I did my best Anyway yknow?

Anyway as for my list idea I thunk I saw it in some game recently and I was like 'oh yeah that sounds fun' I of course know that good mafia players abhor fun (they play mafia after all) so I didn't expect it to be completed but I thought it would be fun if it did. The main purpose is fuck RVS and look, barely any RVS. Beautiful. Secondly I was just vibing with everyone's reactions and going from there. How people talk about things early isn't always apparent day 1 in terms of alignment but I bet if I go back after a scum flips something in that discussion will help me solve, or help others if I am dead. Laying weird situations as groundwork for people to come back to is fun and it has helped me a lot in games.


Anyway I think today has proven my fears to be true in that I feel the game has been really stagnant. Feels like it was mostly me and katze churning the butter while everyone else sat around talking about cape or me or katze all day. For all this talk about solving day one dya hasn't fulfilled much in the way of sharp conclusions. But dya, benneh, and myself all have sk in our bottom 5 and so does katze. So lets kill him for the crime of wall posting and move on.


Oh

Right.

I thought wolf katze wouldn't have their scum partner as 1 town and me as wolf there because of she pushed me over they would look paired if one of them died. Most wolves get really nitpicky about things like that. It wasn't a major read but I liked the thought so I ran with it.

.

God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.

All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'

Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.

Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'

Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.

More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.

In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
@SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.