13er summer game thread

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Benneh

And now I sleep

[dyachei]

this kind of AtE is probably my least favorite in games. Because like...just keep posting and you'll probably post yourself out of it if you're town

[katze]

ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think

[Achro]

this kind of AtE is probably my least favorite in games. Because like...just keep posting and you'll probably post yourself out of it if you're town

Ah. You mistake me that was not an appeal to emotion. That was moreso a declaration of war against the wolves. I have found in my life that emotions clutter my thought process and I also know that venting them healthily helps me to focus better. I cannot be burdened by concern over my life and the frustration of how the game is playing out and also be at my best to solve. So I let go of my desire to live in this game and take time to focus. To drain away all of those negative emotions. To be serene. That is where I find my best moments as town.

There is no appeal, only emotion. Which is now gone. I am listening to anime music and staring at my ceiling as the puzzle pieces click and I turn over this and other things on my mind.

If I let go of my will to live (in a mafia game to be clear) then I also let go of my frustration. So I have chosen to do this and jam to music for the day before coming back and solving.

Seeing as a lot of people don't really seem to understand me this game I made this decision that it was best to accept my fate pn a non game ending day rather than try to force people into my admittedly unconventional mind. Everyone will know I was doing my best and genuine when I flip. To ladd's credit he saw me almost right away. He lives up to his legend, that one.

I am sorry if you felt I was trying to appeal to any of you but that was not the case. I have learned that my neuro divergence at times causes me not to understand how others perceive things. I think ATE shouldn't ever really be considered for alignment determining purposes and this game is no different.

Hopefully my statement of intent clarifies now that I am emotionless.
@katze of course I will solve with you when I am ready.

[dyachei]

ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think

This is my I havent totally cleared them list
Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
Achro
katze

of these, I think SK/achro/visor makes the most sense. but as you can see, there's room for error

[Raskolnikov]

When you sign up for a chill game...

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

Achro(3): katze, Achro, Taffy
SK(1): Visor
Benneh(1): Ender

Next one at midDay (roughly 6 hours, stay stronk till then).

I totally confirm 20 + 1 = 21 too

[insomnia]

v
ender
taffy
insomnia

winston
cuth

achro


my g2h takes up to p10 in my re-read. all villagers, orders go from strongest to weakest ldo

[insomnia]

vote: katze

[insomnia]

sk / katze / +1

[insomnia]

@katze

you said your missing piece is myself and then you'll have the game solved

so say the team if im w and if im v

[nebjiamn]

?vote: katze

[katze]

vote: katze

bandwagon bandwagon

insomnia if you don't know my solve then u havent read my posts today xD

i could reasonably slot you in/out of anyone in it tho probably

22

[insomnia]

actually i changed my mind i dont feel like realtiming tonight im just going to go reread the game and see what my autistic ass brain decides to do with it

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

achro->SK
achro->dya

does achro really intend to only read me off of results this game

i still kinda viscerally dislike a lot of achros early postings but i don't really think i can put why into words still beyond "how does he believe the words he is saying"



i am taking minor grievances on insomnia not picking up on a very obvious joke. what that means for his alignment who will know but im commenting anyway because i feel like there's someone out there who has some nerdy analysis on how not getting jokes when you ordinarily do get jokes is actually alignment indicative



benneh is a villager



man this shit so feels like a trap question though?

my read on him to this point had cited the word "vibes" like multiple times, my front row seat to achros wolf game wouldn't mean shit here and if anything me being paranoid because i watched him bus his bros and post a billion times after a weaker start whichis not that far off this game is like

yeah sure its not something you should clear a good player for but for him to go onto making a big show about this just seems disingenuous to me and i know he later says it was mostly for reactions and he didnt like mine yadda yadda yadda but that doesn't really change the fact that i don't think that the world of "achro is a villager and this post right here is the start of him doing some reaction testy shit", i think if he's town this was a genuine question and if hes wolf then it was a trap question and either way he just eased it into a reaction thing later

on the other hand i don't rly think achro knows my towngame THAT well so i don't know if w!him really knows what to expect here. if he knew me better id say this is even worse but his saving grace is that the only game we've played together i was a villager and. it was not a normal game

subconsciously this might have been how i felt a bit in realtime



anyway unrelated to all of the above. actually directly related. visor like, does not at all comment onit. he makes a post with a wolf team guess that includes achro and im sure if you ask him he'd probably say that might have influenced it, but like. hes literally NOT TOUCHING IT at all.

which is weird. and i know he would say "i dont want to deal with that shit" but man, there's like three wallposts of me and him spilling our hearts and hes just like "hey benneh, hru"



and his next post is just kinda

in my current worldview its pretty laddavi.gif, maybe taffys a wolf and im GETTING SNOWED (VISOR LOOK I SAID THE THING) but i don't think they are and from my current view of the game the reads on taffy are like

"taffy is just town" -> a villager (benneh) expresses doubt -> ??? aligned visor shuts it down

worth thinking about i guess.



AND THE GUY WE SHRUGYEETED EVEN AGREES. IM GONNA AVENGE U CAPE. maybe

i love u cape im sorry we did that to you i rly wish you just listened to me at eod but maybe that would have been worse cuz i thought u had good posting catching up until the final stretch

im currently pondering on if achro/visor is an unpairing or not because i am right now wanting to vote both of them but like. i also might think him flat out ignoring me and achros argument and just dropping a 3/3 solve with achro in it might be weird if w/w

but i guess thats not something id bet the game onyet



i have a really really stupid read that SK is a wolf for this post because he, instead of saying *who* he would say to the achro thing, he instead said "oh id just say someone i wanna play with"

this read is probably really dumb but idk it mkes a bit of sense to me???

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING

SK->(e)td

this feels pretty fkn villagery to me

in the sense that i could totally se it being one of those pretty posts a wolfwrites because it looks hella towny

id be very impressed if it was w/w with taffy and if hes a villager id imagine he's got good odds of being right and i agree with the conclusion anyway so like.

+achro
+++taffy


same post

bold is kinda funny given what im thinking rn but also that second bit is...

"can you link me a wolf game where you do [what taffy did]

what does that... accomplish? SK is not taffy

i could probably find a wolfgame ive done that and if i posted it he'd say something about ranges, id reckon that probably applies to SK as well since hes just as good of a wolf as i am? seems weird and achro. knows SK.

um

achro->sk

i think this is villagery vote timing

esp if SK is a wolf

kinda funny that two people (ender/achro) are townreading winston for. suspecting me.

im rolling my eyes and i guess since im posting this probably i shall say this.




why does this post exist what the fuck me



this post feels wrong to me which is weird because my first townping on dya was a similarish post where they were kinda appealing to ladd in a way that it felt like they hoped ladd was town and then here they are clearly stating they think hes town but idk

this might a medya thingbut im noting ti anyway

if taffy sus read later

im still not fully convinced dya isnt doing the bolded kinda even tho the benneh thing is obv the exception

again this isnt a today concern probably but... lets see

first read is light v on achro, then light v on insom, the latter being basically a reply to an insom light v read and the former being consensusish at that point imo

dya then pokes a few people (lightly on me, then on visor and ender) and makes no reads on any

then they drop the benneh wolfread, which is absolutely not consensus



and even this is fairly hedgy but its not bad


this is their "who i would vote rn" list, cape is abso consensus, benneh is abso not. cuth also not i guess but i think he was floated a bit sometime before then... yeah i placed my vote and dya quoted it not that long before. could be coincidental but my read there was tinfoily and i did it partially because i felt like it wasnt consensus so sure

and then sk who at that point was probably kinda split

then they pushed harder on cape, poked visor in a negativeish way, agrees with a "achro is kinda villagery but not omega villagery but day 1 pass" read

then they hedged on cuth some (i think? looks like a bit of + and - from them)

continue pushing cape

and then pushing SK some at eod

meh

im getting AHEAD OF MYSELF but i find it easy to read "w!dya would just post some consensus reads" and then read their reads this game and say theres some parallels!

mrrrrrrrrrrr ok where was i



this whole read on me is

its not great but it does kinda FEEL like v!insomnia words idk but it lik e so blatnatly falls flat on its face if you read the context? at least mostly? idk i guess i can see it as a thought that appeared in their head at some point that they didnt give much thought to and thn katze sus came up and theyre like "oh wait! i had something for this!" and dragged it out and honestly that sounds kinda plausible BECAUSE its obviously unconvincing
hrmm

i feel like insom is v much some1 who just wants to lunch villas as a wolf surely he could do better against a villa like me who just posts dumb shit all the time...?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfuck

i need to sleep on that one

insom

winston made like a borderline identical post to this in our game last year lol

ur a fun guy i will post more big faces at u.



oh this is dyas kinda backpedal on cuth and its in reply to "i scumread cuth, prove me wrong" hmm that changes that prior thing a bit ok hmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay i might be feeling the town dya again

im reading their soul

theyre not sure on cuth rn

they trust ladd, ladd trusts cuth, they dont really trust cuth

but theyre feeling it

they kinda see it

maybe???

im letting this marinate

dya hi

hey u nerd i was JUST about to type that u hadnt made any cap comments!!!!! grrr ok

idk what this means for your alignment mister hughes.

i guess posting 3/3s with literally no comment on the most consensus wolf all game is kinda weird tho idk what kind of



ghoststab



no its not its nai as fuck lol dya will eternally tease me on my record on them until i figure it out



i saw some1 say today that sk popping in for eod was weird but their post b4 this was "im going to sleep" and idk i kinda wanna believe that



visor what are you doing this game



+

yippee postcap lift



lol i kinda wanna clear dya if sk is a wolf it might be dumb but i honestly feel like dya is about to pounce and maul sk and rip the poor kirby to shreds

i FEEL it

kinda like how they sound when i scumread them in a turbo ;)



ok @Achro

im setting you on fire.

why is SK a villager for this post?


why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??


...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting



i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs



banger post



yeah i think SK is actually a wolf

ive been kinda looking at SKs eod and i feel like hes SAYING things but hes not ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE GAME



and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS







awoo







MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod



why

why do you have these thoughts, keith.



yikes



yikes



nah ur right winston that read was garbage

im done reading this game

SK and Achro are blatantly wolves together and Visor is prob the third

im going to bed

bye

you said im the missing piece

this implies to me something would change depending on my alignment. you'd take me out for someone in here?

[katze]

if you are a wolf then something would change because my 3/3 solve would no longer be 3/3 :P

im confused at what you're getting at here tho

do you want me to drop a 3/3 with you in it cause idk you sk visor and my reasons to unpair achro w the other two were right



i probably don't have a good answer for you because my actual confidence waned significantly after i slept

im also pretty sure i said you were the missing piece before any of that post because i dont see it in that post but im not going to speak for my sleep deprived brain


vote: silverkeith

vote a wolf w me?

23

[nebjiamn]

sk/visot/katze gg ur done

[katze]

sk/visot/katze gg ur done

gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

24

[katze]

wait insomnia why are u even questioning the puzzle piece thing that was before i reread the entirety* (ok i stopped a bit before the end because i was tired af and had a CONVICTED SOLVE) of the game...

[insomnia]

wait insomnia why are u even questioning the puzzle piece thing that was before i reread the entirety* (ok i stopped a bit before the end because i was tired af and had a CONVICTED SOLVE) of the game...

i dont get it and i dont feel you need it cuz you can read me without it

at least you presume

[katze]

i am extremely confused at what the problem is here

my view of the game changed after rereading the game

realistically my townread of you isn't IRONCLAD because i think ur push on me before was BAD but i thought it was a VILLAGERY BAD and ur pushes this game arent AMAZING but shrugze

can you like reword the concerns here or lay it out in a way that a stupid cat like myself could understand

26

[insomnia]

dont feel like any pushes are amazing, but alright

[nebjiamn]

gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

24

what do you not get

i am not linking yall its more just i am more unsure on my reads on you 3 than i feel like i should be

a missing piece, so to speak

[nebjiamn]

also im kind of concerned with how youve played around me cause it doesnt feel like you've actually thought about me sincerely and have just cleared me for what seem like joke reasons

maybe there is more to it you just havn't put into the thread but idk

[nebjiamn]

i enjoy reading your posts though

especially when you are having an existential werewolf crisis

[katze]

ig thats true insom thats kinda just me omgusing a tiny bit

benneh uhhh

im gonna be real i asked you that because i was considering that maybe ender was right to doubt you but i scrolled back and saw u had more today than i remembered so meh

i suppose fypov my read on you is probably weird

i did explain it more at some point to ladd/dya on d1 but idk i felt like you're just a villager and i felt that way in the game in janurary and i was never going to d1 you because of it and i currently do not foresee myself d2ing you

i kinda think i got a knack on reading u from turboing with u? its certainly possible i am overconfident, likely even, and my read on you could just be right by circumstance or im just flat out wrong on you and you're subtly flexing on me by saying something about it



as for the existential werewolf crisis, that's just a staple of any retired mafia player, right?

27

[insomnia]

gonna be pretty boring until sk comes back

[Achro]

@katze hello ask me anything solving friend.

Several hours of amime and Broadway music have given me renewed resolve and I am at peace.

Why is katze town? Well I haven't ever faced pack wolf katze but I was considering something that I said yesterday about me and katze were the ones churning butter and I stopped to consider that I think that might be contrary to what the wolves motives were yesterday with how much momentum cape had. Katze also has chosen in a chill game to go after the other top poster which as scum seems not needed to have good thread position and you know be chill. Certainly not to the extent that they have so far. It makes much more intuitive sense that katze sees me as an unknown threat and is treading through tough sledding because they think if they don't wolf achromatic can win. So that's where I get town.


Atm I am at sk/insomnia/? Because sk's vote on insomnia reminded me strongly of suspicion I placed on boq last time I was here. Boq got close to dying as my wolf partner but I read the threadstate correctly and understood he was never in actual danger. I think wolf sk would be looking for that same consideration here to distance. Plus sk has had minimal thread presence, I don't think he was looking to deep wolf at eod and going against the momentum of a cape chop to try to Jill another town feels like an unneeded risk. So I think this was a distancing move and that's why it didn't add up very well. It was meant to be a sloppy attack and for wolves to kind of concede sk today but be set up by that.

I have to back read day 1 still but I saw you said you would be busy tomorrow so I thought I would share some thoughts there.

[insomnia]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

[Achro]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

All things are possible. I just don't see the angle for sk to do that when it is my belief that wolves cultivated a stale thread state to suddenly be the starter of a wagon on a villager who for all they know might have some form of recourse against the sudden attack.

Its a matter of probability to me. I will see if the things I am assuming atm make sense when I read back or if the evidence contradicts this. Do not worry if you are town I will do my best to find you.

[Winston Hughes]

to read
benneh - 101
taffy - 36
dya - 72
sk - 40
insomnia - 83

don't read
achro - 120
ender - 64
cuth - 74
katze - 123
visor - 64

of the 'to read' group, insomnia is the one whose personality has come over the strongest so far, which is worth a townpoint; basic gut read says insomnia feels a little too knowing, which is superficially scummy at least, but without meta is only a whisker south of null

benneh is the fonz, as always, which makes me want to townread, but i mustn't; content vibes +1, positioning vibes -1.5

dya vibes townie to me here, but i struggle to explain why; more generally, i feel like she sits in my blindspot, personality-wise, which means i'm gonna find it harder to make strong judgements and thus should weigh anything i do feel a little heavier than for other players

taffy is very cool, very understated, very smart; i should be careful of both pro-taffy bias and anti-taffy overcompensation; that said, impression so far is null enough to be slightly scummy in itself

sk feels like the default at this point; got a slight townie vibe yesterday - might have been overcompensation on my part, but it felt real enough; no idea what it was, though; iso here first