13er summer game thread

[Totally not Taffy]

im not particularly a tunneler most of the time and if you'd like i'd be willing to solve with you assuming you're a villager for some of today and see where it goes, i'm aware that regardless of your alignment it'll probably make me townread you some but it'll probably be fun and if i'm wrong on wolfreading you then perhaps you can help me find where im wrong in my towns
@Achro
EnderWiggin

Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius

katze
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
insomnia
Visor

from my understanding this is ~vaguely where you're at, so lets work from here. i was gonna say to not bother with me but given one of my confusions w you rn involves me, i'm fine talking about me

i expect this to go nowhere or eat my entire postcap but given tomorrow im going to have a long day at work i dont rly mind

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Can you help me with Cuth and Winston? Also why are SK and Achro so obviously paired for you?

I feel like I've managed to accidentally irk half this game unintentionally >.>

You are one of my favourite players and occasionally making a meta read that annoys me does nothing to change that :hug:

Ah. You mistake me that was not an appeal to emotion. That was moreso a declaration of war against the wolves. I have found in my life that emotions clutter my thought process and I also know that venting them healthily helps me to focus better. I cannot be burdened by concern over my life and the frustration of how the game is playing out and also be at my best to solve. So I let go of my desire to live in this game and take time to focus. To drain away all of those negative emotions. To be serene. That is where I find my best moments as town.

There is no appeal, only emotion. Which is now gone. I am listening to anime music and staring at my ceiling as the puzzle pieces click and I turn over this and other things on my mind.

If I let go of my will to live (in a mafia game to be clear) then I also let go of my frustration. So I have chosen to do this and jam to music for the day before coming back and solving.

Seeing as a lot of people don't really seem to understand me this game I made this decision that it was best to accept my fate pn a non game ending day rather than try to force people into my admittedly unconventional mind. Everyone will know I was doing my best and genuine when I flip. To ladd's credit he saw me almost right away. He lives up to his legend, that one.

I am sorry if you felt I was trying to appeal to any of you but that was not the case. I have learned that my neuro divergence at times causes me not to understand how others perceive things. I think ATE shouldn't ever really be considered for alignment determining purposes and this game is no different.

Hopefully my statement of intent clarifies now that I am emotionless.
@katze of course I will solve with you when I am ready.

I dislike the term AtE because there's the implied accusation that the person is purposely trying to manipulate the other players rather than that their emotions just naturally show through in their posting. I've been accused like that and it only made me feel worse. So I just wanted to explicitly tell you that I believe you were genuine.

[Winston Hughes]

i have to mention that i'd be doing a bunch of isos very much like this if i was scum right now

middle of d2 is a great time to show that townie effort

[Cuthillius]

i am having a hard time getting my head into the game right now

but i'll be around more later today for sure

very ok with sk wagon especially the longer he isn't posting

want to look critically at specifically visor/insom/taffy because they all stood out to me in particular ways but i don't remember exactly what that was and i want to examine those things with more context

(also sk; i felt like his posts yesterday at eod didn't really. fit? like they felt kinda similar to cape's posts lmao but without him being cape

and maybe part of that is just coming into the thread super late but idk it felt more agenda-y)

need to tighten up top of townreads

look more closely at benneh/katze/maybe winston

winston i was fourteen or fifteen when we first started playing together

oh i did want to specifically vocalize this wrt insomnia i think more than anyone else they've seemed the most positioning to me off the top of my head? like the way they approached and talked about their cape read and then the ender stuff at EoD and just in general their posting hasn't felt super organic but like. not necessarily in a wolfy way i'm not sure

a lot of just. declarative this is what is happening stuff

but throwing that out there

also oh wait sk did kinda go hard on insomnia at eod yesterday iirc hm

[Cuthillius]

also sorry ender if i was overly brusque about stuff-- i'm a bit stressed out overall independent of this game and i think my frustration was less from your specific behavior and more from my wanting to have fun and shitpost and solve and interact and then repeatedly not getting responses to that

which made it hard to immerse myself and rejoice in the thrill of it all when i wanted the escapism

no hard feelings atp and i appreciate your words on the topic today <3

[katze]

sup, kinda only half here rn but lets see

lets assume SK is mafia and that their EoD was them trying to vote another player over cape

up until maybe the :55 minute mark, its pretty evident that SK is trying to get votes on people who arent cape; ender and insomnia primarily

i think a lot of players at like the x:40-x:50 mark were seriously getting cold feet on cape being a wolf as well, maybe even sooner, but there was obviously some DOUBTS in thread. so i don't know if, as a wolf, it's a 100% guarantee that you could push a bro at that eod and still have cape die? the end wagons were 4-3

i'm ok with cape flipping I think

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
Ender(2): benneh, , Winston
insomnia(2): SK, Achro
Visor(1): , Cuth
ladd(1): Cape,
Cuth(1): Visor
Sk(1): Dya
Achro(1): Taffy

vote:insomnia

mmm

i dunno. i can see it, SK goes back to "ok lets just kill cape" at the last hour when the other proposed wagons of insom/ender have a pr claim amongst them

but outside of this, do you think there's much pairing the two? or making insomnia wolfy in general?

in other names, how do you feel about visor and benneh? particularly in relation to your current team of sk/insom but also separately from that

Can you help me with Cuth and Winston? Also why are SK and Achro so obviously paired for you?

that post you're quoting is me talking to achro about his own reads, i think SK/achro have high equity off of SoD1->SKs entry mid D1->EoD1 which i kinda outlined in some wallpost i spoiled but if you skipped it i wouldnt blame you

my own opinion on cuth is really complicated but also partially just me sheeping ladd, winston... im not sure if i can help you with him either ngl, sorry



im b eing invited to video games so i will prob mega lurk for a bit

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[Winston Hughes]

winston i was fourteen or fifteen when we first started playing together

wow, i never realised you were that young

but kudos both for being wise beyond your years and for maturing since

[Cuthillius]

wow, i never realised you were that young

but kudos both for being wise beyond your years and for maturing since

[Cuthillius]

also visor coming into today and dropping a vote on achro kinda threw me off and i'm still not sure what to make of it

[Winston Hughes]

also visor coming into today and dropping a vote on achro kinda threw me off and i'm still not sure what to make of it

visor's probably scum?

[Cuthillius]

visor's probably scum?

a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool

[Winston Hughes]

a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

with this roster?

b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool

distancing is a thing

if visor is scum, he's certainly not been powerwolfing

[Achro]

I hate multi quote I don't know how to get rid of then I hope posting does it. Giving myself an extra post because Jesus. Don't worry about the quotes

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers. my confidence grew as others were posting

then i just didn't buy most of his reads, as well as him being commentary-ish

i made a slightly more detailed post on it if you wanna check it out

Katze (3): ender, SK, Winston
Sk(3): Dya, katze, cuth
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
ladd(1): achro
Achro(1): Taffy
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Cape

Not voting (0):

idk im just kinda skimming and don't have a clue

some things he's doing feel overblown for me. like saying winston will be found as lhf and wolfy when most of the thread found him villagery already feels fake, unless i missed some posts where people were debating killing him

seems like a boring d1 to pick targets

cape, how come katze is such an obv villager now? last time i checked you were conflicted

Insom is a wolf for this post.

No real reason I just felt like this is the kind of things wolves would be asking at eod.

[Achro]

This is fair

This is a reply to insomnia about 20 minutes before eod. For the record by this point I believe I had gone to make dinner so my only post after this was the very end. So here he says insomnia's take on cape's wolfiness is fair.

you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

i also think a player like achro prob shouldve recognised cape wasnt acting in a way that wolves do when they are going down on d1

i mean, i picked up on it and i wolfread cape earlier so i dont get it

in hindsight i wish i uh said something instead of just pushing cuth instead but yolo (also i blame ladd )

The multi quote on this site sucks. Anyway Visor is lock scum first off @katze

vote: visor

Anyway earlier Visor voted me because I did nothing to stop the cape kill ans he expected me to do more. Cape was an obvious villager at eod. He expected me to see that. but here he told insomnia that his take was fair. Visor has an agenda, isn't actually interested in solving, is a proven liar because he had a chance above to push back but chose not to, and either has a much higher opinion of my town game than insomnia's and if so can you please explain that to insomnia I am sure he will be insulted, or this is just an agenda push from a wolf.

I changed my mind sk isn't with insomnia and is probably town based on how he was fighting hard to stop the Cape kill but was also OK with the flip generally (where I was at too)

Insomnia is probably scum. Reinforced the gamestate of 'yeah like ladd said I think cape is wolfy' and then said if there's a tough wolf it's katze' so from your pov katze he did nothing but push town all day 1 and in a way that fits my model of the team. I will have to go back and check again but the conversation around cape eod feels like a partner wanting to say something to a partner but I might be biased since I thought insomnia was scum. But he for sure hard wolf sided day 1 and planned to do so in future days if katze is town so keep in mind.

Okay that's one wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

sk's process is believable

wouldn't be hard to fake, tho

a gnat's gnuts north of null

[Cuthillius]

sk's process is believable

wouldn't be hard to fake, tho

a gnat's gnuts north of null

what even was his process

[Winston Hughes]

what even was his process

i dunno, just felt right enough while reading it

[insomnia]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

[Winston Hughes]

show up, point at shit

like i say, not hard to fake

but not really trying to look townie either, i guess

[insomnia]

maybe you have your expectations too high or something off my performance in FAM, idk

that game was incredibly easy, the wolfteam basically rolled over. this is a stacked playerlist and d1 is my worst phase, not to mention i don't really get going until later in the game

[Achro]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

Don't care about you anymore, see you day 3. Onto visor digging now. Sorry I hurt your feelings.

[insomnia]

i wouldn't have feelings over a werew0alf game

im just pointing out how your accusation isn't fair, or correct. but if you don't wanna listen then can't do much

[Winston Hughes]

hey inso

you played with visor much before?

[Achro]

i wouldn't have feelings over a werew0alf game

im just pointing out how your accusation isn't fair, or correct. but if you don't wanna listen then can't do much

I am not voting you today anyway. I am voting the outed wolf who blatantly contradicted himself so I don't need to think if I was fair ot correct yet: I stated I would re evaluate more on you and you will get that re evaluation. Unfortunately for you, regardless of your alignment, in my current world view you did the things a team that kills ladd n1 would do. Agree with him, let him be wrong, then murder him. It makes you suspicious but there's no point in discussing it now because visor is just literally full of it for why he pushed me today as I showed in my post. So like, find wolves there is no push on you today from me.

[insomnia]

hey inso

you played with visor much before?

not a ton

think the max we did was 3 games and they were all within long timespans between each other, and one of them ended d2

[Winston Hughes]

I am voting the outed wolf who blatantly contradicted himself

visor contradicted himself?

blatantly?

and you think that's scummy?

sorry, i know you're short of posts, but can you unpack this because it's twisting my melon

[Achro]

He said the reason why he was voting me today was because Cape was obviously a villager eod and he expected me to know that. I didn't do enough.

He had no such reprisal to insomnia's woof case against cape 20 minutes before eod. Click the quote tab on my first quote saying that is fair by visor.

He made a fuss over me voting all eod but insomnia said it was wolfy and he said it was fair. It's a lie. Lol

[Winston Hughes]

ah, he was inconsistent

visor still >rand scum

if he'd really outright contradicted himself there i'd have called him lock town

this probably does just about count in his favour tho

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): insom, Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy

[Visor]

Lol

I thought it was a fair argument, that's all

Still obviously wanted cuth to die over cape... Actions

[Visor]

ah, he was inconsistent

visor still >rand scum

if he'd really outright contradicted himself there i'd have called him lock town

this probably does just about count in his favour tho

Really don't know why you have me as greater than rand wolf

Walk me through it