13er summer game thread

[Achro]

Insomnia, I am wasting posts because you didn't read MY posts man come on lol. You are literally (not literally) killing me here, bronana.





I think SK and I had a similar mindmeld on what we wanted out of the day and what we ended up getting in terms of our approach to EOD and our willingness to concede that Cape was at the end a mediocre but acceptable infochop.

SK called it that and was like 'lettuce not info chop' when in my mind the thread was cultivated around just shoving Cape into a blender day 1. I think this for two reasons.

1) Ladd, the person who was kind of assigned as the 'King of Cape suss', is both town and dead meaning imo wolves played around him day 1 and were careful with him and then shoved him off a bridge before he could think over how the day went. It also makes me strongly believe there are 0-1 wolves on Cape directly, with atp I think Insomnia being the only one because I don't think Insomnia/Katze are paired and if Katze was a wolf at EOD I am not sure they actually care all that much about appearances if it mans offing town insomnia instead of letting the easy cape kill go through. On top of my meta of them really not wanting to take the path of most resistance in a chill game by prodding me. It makes MUCH more sense of a town katze who I snowed in such an epic fashion I won 2 awards for it (I had to sneak there in there, wub you Katze best friends FOREVER)

So right now my three most suspicious people are Visor/Insomnia/Benneh but I am not sure if those latter two are actually wolves or I have problems within my clears. If visor is town then um... I don't know what to do ngl lol. Like, my mind just can't wrap around that being a genuine thought because...how? I have seen Visor low post as town before, he is very chill with no thread presence but he isn't bafflingly stupid. That would be beyond the pale of what I have seen from low posting low effort Visor tbh, I am measuring him against himself not some random.

Now in my town pile I have a few people I don't know and I am willing to discuss, but it is hard for me when people keep trying to pair me with people like visor for... no good reason, honestly lol. I enjoy theater, this is true, but I would never let Visor offer such an attack w/w that left him so exposed. I don't know if wolf chat was ever opened of the last game but you can see there that I had vul and I simulate arguments before day start to make sure neither of us would land a critical blow on one another. Anyone who has ever seen my scum game, which is... not too many people other than one time here, should know that my deftness with partner interactions is good enought that I wouldn't let Visor hang himself out to dry repeatedly like he has done here. It's below my skill floor, even in a chill game, as someone who prides himself at being just a big of an asset behind the scenes as a wolf as I am in topic.

Also same thing with Katze, if Katze and I were wolves together that's a win at rand in my opinion, no need for all of this silly fuss and back and forth. You guys are playing way too incohesive and not solving together at a depth required to catch wolf achro, only enough to squint and go 'idk achro seems weird' which is a town tell lmao.

Anyway I like ranting, I am not mad I am just stating things from my pov because it's starting to get kind of silly like none of you know (not literally, some of you do) how to ask deductive questions in order to piece together evidence and string together theories. Are you not doing it because this is supposed to be a chill game? Do I need to chill more? idk I am trying to hunt wolves and I am only getting frustrated when I feel like people are seeing through me and not engaging with me.

But some of you have, and I appreciate that tbh.

This is my 51st post but not counting it so I get one more to just say 'I have no idea where point 2 went I was just free styling' lol

1 real post left, xoxo

[nebjiamn]

If dya is a wolf this is a perspective slip and ender is town.

I am not saying it is a perspective slip. Only the resulting read if dya flips wolf. Ty for your time.

I'm not sure this tracks but this is suggesting going to insom after a w!sk flip. Insom being the player I wanted to lunch last eod.

I might be biased on this one but I think thinking me and Insom are paired makes no sense but this is the second time I've seen it mentioned.

Idk how to aproach benneh's push on me bc I'm not sure how to actually read Benneh. I think my metric on him at mashes/turbo is that he eventually makes a post I really like and decide he's town and I'm right most of the times (which if we extrapolate to data is prolly rand but welp). Most of the times the post is him sorta making a good post on a wolf which I now think are bad posts aimed at me, a villager.

….wat

[insomnia]

thx achro


Benneh, if sk is a villa, how much would your dya read drop?

[nebjiamn]

….wat

(Directed at the SK post, the achro quote was from me fat fingering MQ on my phone)

[nebjiamn]

thx achro


Benneh, if sk is a villa, how much would your dya read drop?

still v, probly not 'top town'? i feel pretty confident they are v and its more than just agreeing with their push on sk

if sk is a villa ... hmmm. visor probly lock wolf in that scenario? achro i think looks bad too tbh tho i dont think he can be paired with visor

[nebjiamn]

i actually don't know if visor looks worse if sk flips v or w here

feels like his SK vote could be a concesssion to bus with his progression

i don't agree sk's posts have been villagery since he's showed back up fwiw

[katze]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot

[katze]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot

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why is achro mafia if SK is villa

achro/SK is like my biggest w/w concern rn lol

also do you think visor/SK arent paired or is v!SK -> w!visor a poe thing

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I DIDNT MEAN TO POST THE LAST ONE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nebjiamn]

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot

[nebjiamn]

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot

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why is achro mafia if SK is villa

achro/SK is like my biggest w/w concern rn lol

also do you think visor/SK arent paired or is v!SK -> w!visor a poe thing

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I DIDNT MEAN TO POST THE LAST ONE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

cause its hard for me to see achro's reasons for reading SK as legit unless its just TMI

like, presuming SK is villa because SK came up with the idea that achro would have an ego about being 'right' about SK after claiming to godread him ina game 3 years ago is silly. i haven't even played with achro but i saw him post something about how he's 30 and 1 in mafia games this year, that would be a super easy thought to come up with

the volatility in his read on sk feels unnatural

maybe its just w/w and ur right but it kindof reads to me like it could be him not knowing how to push on SK when he's around and containing TMI when SK posts

idk this post sucks lol

[Achro]

cause its hard for me to see achro's reasons for reading SK as legit unless its just TMI

like, presuming SK is villa because SK came up with the idea that achro would have an ego about being 'right' about SK after claiming to godread him ina game 3 years ago is silly. i haven't even played with achro but i saw him post something about how he's 30 and 1 in mafia games this year, that would be a super easy thought to come up with

the volatility in his read on sk feels unnatural

maybe its just w/w and ur right but it kindof reads to me like it could be him not knowing how to push on SK when he's around and containing TMI when SK posts

idk this post sucks lol

Last post.

Read my wolf games lol.

Like

Umineko over on FOL, the one on this forum last year, Witch Anon - I was Hector over on MU.

I promise 'not knowing how to push a team mate' and 'containing TMI when SK posts' as a wolf, regardless of what SK is, is pretty nuts tbh.

And there's also the fact that my read of him changed hours ago when he didn't post, so this entire chain kind of like dies. I thought SK was town earlier because of a mindmeld about game state when I read EOD 1 over, and I town read SK because he was drawing from very specific memories of games we have had together in order to draw a comparison. It wasn't about the ego part - it was about him talking about me misreading him in another game and how he felt that made me go 'yeah that sounds right.'

But uh, yeah, kind of accusing me of being a shitty wolf when that's just how my reads go sometimes as town. You will find no recorded wolf games of me doing either one of those things as obviously as you are making them seem, but I can probably find a dozen town games where I am accused of TMI often.

Anyway that's cap, I don't know what will come of the thread by 5pm tomorrow, but I want a break and I have had fun in my own way.

If you don't think visor is the best chop after what I pointed out, don't know what you're looking for in scum folks. We can talk about other stuff tomorrow lol.

Specifically the big thing was the EOD of keith and how he pushed hard against cape and he didnt lik the idea of info chopping, can you tell me what about that you feel is TMI @nebjiamn because it was the backbone of my re-evaluation and a fatal flaw in your 'he only tr's SK when he is around' argument.

(I also tore into SK for his first post just after he posted it... so obviously I didn't find him towny for that. This whole argument is meritless tbh)

Katze I can understand, I traumatized them last year, but your argument is pretty weird. Check out how I move around my reads in other wolf games, post receipts, and then check a couple of my town games out over on MU under Achromatic, and if you see something similar from wolf me post receipts but rn you are using very general reads of v/w for someone who has an incredibly high skill floor as wolf and someone who is known to be whimsical and 'different' in terms of town reads from most people.

If you're town, gonna be a problem, if you're wolf... gonna be a problem for you.

later

[SilverKeith]

….wat

I'm not sure what are you wat'ing.

tl;dr is that idk how to read you and that this take of w!insom right after w!sk doesn't make a lot of sense.

[nebjiamn]

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

[nebjiamn]

I'm not sure what are you wat'ing.

tl;dr is that idk how to read you and that this take of w!insom right after w!sk doesn't make a lot of sense.

its not a wolf take tho

insom is a light v read and that is pretty clear from the context of that conversation

at least i think it is

[Achro]

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.

[SilverKeith]

I'd like to think that the sk/achro w/w read makes sense just because it'd be sick if we were.

Also I'll be around for next eod but i'll be on my phone.

i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

I'm not exactly sure where this comes from. I kinda like it bc it feels like a "out there" thought. But at the same time I feel like ladd was a valid kill from any wolf unless his poe was awfully wrong and even then. Pointing it specifically to taffy makes me think not paired with insom.

I should do my dilligence and dive into taffy a bit prolly. My last memory of them was suggesting a lunch because it gave more information and that's a bit ?, initially I hated it but I think it's because hating on infolunches has become so prevalent that ppl just don't post stuff like that anymore and idk how to take that. gth wolf

[nebjiamn]

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.

(i just counted this is post 50 for me)

as a rule, i don't typically look back at other games cause i find it a bit against the spirit of the game and sometimes i ignore that rule but i don't wanna do that if i don't have to

acknowledged and stuff though. i'm not 'just assuming' anything so sorry if it feels like i'm not giving you a fair shake here. in the same way you have your methods i have mine and coupled with that maybe i suck at explaining but these are more secondary thoughts rather than my immediate world view

and now i feel like i owe an apology to SK here

unless i got both of you

GG moppo GOAT

[x] gottem

[SilverKeith]

its not a wolf take tho

insom is a light v read and that is pretty clear from the context of that conversation

at least i think it is

oh yeah I completely missread oops.

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Hm.

I can get the "Idk how you get to SK villa" from the perspective that I'm a good wolf so I could be wolfing at any given time, but that doesn't track well with "sk's posts largely suck" because if you think I'm a wolf and my posts suck then you don't really think I'm a good wolf now do you.

The thing I dislike is that you've failed to take into account that people's alignment are more than "this post sucks/this posting is good", that's just dumb, ppl seemed to think cape's post sucked and he was a villager.

People think my posting sucks all the time as town, often times they do suck, but that doesn't make me a wolf. You not considering that this posting style of mine could be town indicative, just makes me feel like you're a wolf trying to push a misslunch because it's easy to convince people my posting isn't good. All while being told I'm not a wolf from Achro, who has actually played with wolf me and town me (and is the only person who has done so in this playerlist in a normal game aside from Visor but he was a wolf both times).

If your overall point was " dude Achro has TMI of sk being town" then yeah, that's something I could maybe get behind because there's the chance I'm just fooled by Achro who's specifically doing a dance around my slot that's not too different from a dance he did around it in draft mafia (which wouldn't be that crazy considered he mentioned that game).

But you don't seem to believe that since I'm your main push. And the idea of w/w sk/achro seems to be mostly an afterthought ("idk katze maybe you're right about it"). And thus your whole post doesn't seem to be "hey achro, help me understand sk!v", which is something I'd hope people do, but instead a "if you honestly believe sk!v, then you're nuts (and also a wolf looking for anti-consensus-thread)".

[SilverKeith]

I'll acknowledge that my post is a bit hypocrite bc I'm also not completely sure how achro gets to SK!town but i've seen v!achro get to places that I don't follow so I'm not too bothered by it currently.

I'll also acknowledge that at some point I thought insom was w!reading ender at eod and he apparently wasn't. I think my original point re:his post still stands but I might've overconfbiased him being a wolf there

[SilverKeith]

OMG it was already clear why would you spell it out

Also I wanted to ask if it was actually clear for people that ender was a PR before he claimed. I might've skimmed it or not paying attention but I reached this post and it surprised me bc I wasn't thinking about it

[SilverKeith]

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

[SilverKeith]

you're lucky i am feeling generous!

visor
winston
dya

insomnia

taffy
katze
~~ender
benneh

cuth
achro

silverkeith

i would have to say i probably feel most strongly about the top top and bottom bottom but the rest can shift

"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.

I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)

I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.

But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.

Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")

Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track

[SilverKeith]

Also I just got to the part where Achro votes me which in turn makes some of my posts today re:his read on me make less sense and also he self votes so I'll just pretend those two things didn't happen.

Winston is my current blindspot and idk how to feel about him other than he's doing stuff which I kinda think is ok but at the same time I don't have a mental image of him so he might just be wolfing but other people seem to be ok with him so I'll be ok with him too.

Cuth is kind of there too. I think he falls on the same spot that Benneh/dya are in that I feel like they've talked about w!sk but haven't really made good arguments and rather focused on "x is wolfy by the wolfington wolfing 101 manual and sk did x therefore sk is a wolf". I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

[Visor]

Good posts sk

Now idk what to do lmao

I'll read in full when I get home

[SilverKeith]

Going to sleep.

Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
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I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.

Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.

Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.

Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.

[katze]

i dont like that it feels like achro is reducing my uncertainty on him as me being paranoid of him because he owned me once

like if that didnt happen id probably be less unsure but i'm pretty confident i'd still be unsure and it wouldn't make his SK stuff make any more sense to me

i also dont like bennehs last post rly i kinda feel like he has TMI that SK/Achro arent w/w lol (and probably w/v in some order...?)

I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

they're not, but i believe they've spectated a fair few games so they probably know you better than you know them - but i also feel like that post has nothing to do with knowing you and it sounds like a vibe read "these people arent trying to be towny so i wouldnt be surprised if there was a villager

I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.

If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them.

i feel like the progression from A to B here is... weird? i dunno

I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

why is dya not the kind of wolf to make that push
why is benneh the kind of wolf to make that push
why is your gth on cuth being not that kind of wolf
what does me being verbose mean in your opinion

im assuming these are all "meta" but you also earlier said you dont rly know the people here that well so im nitpicking a bit but i dont know if i actually dislike the posts but i also want you to expand

gn

idk what visor is doing

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[Cuthillius]

benneh my brain is too fried to respond properly rn maybe either i was barking way up a wrong tree earlier or clarity will descend upon me with the morning dew

i think most of your counterarguments are more a matter of opinion/perspective than anything that's helpful to discuss

and i looked back and you had more progression on ender/taffy than i remembered

the posts that stood out to me looking back were your comment to me that it's looking more and more likely that cape's a wolf and the way you pushed ender and you were like it's been working so far

and maybe that's the sticking point is i have a hard time believing that you really felt that strongly about ender's likelihood of being a wolf in that situation

i know i voted him later and stuff but idk i guess my issue with your d1 is that you were pushing super strongly and linearly? onto a grouping of people that might have a single wolf in them, but likely don't (i haven't really had my own opinion about taffy at any point during this game)

and it's not an issue of results per se-- i know you can be wrong as v-- but looking at your play on d1 i don't feel enough doubt or second-guessing along the line to pushing like 4 people who are generally more vulnerable in this kind of list, one of whom max is town, for the entire second half of the phase basically

that's what's gross

i don't give a damn if people called you villagery d1 lol that's basically irrelevant imo since the people who were actually putting much weight behind that at all were ladd and then katze

[Cuthillius]

ignore the first sentence i talked myself back into it as i went lmao

[Cuthillius]

no clue how to feel about sk right now i'll try to think about him tomorrow?

[Cuthillius]

vote: benneh

i slep