13er summer game thread

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

cause its hard for me to see achro's reasons for reading SK as legit unless its just TMI

like, presuming SK is villa because SK came up with the idea that achro would have an ego about being 'right' about SK after claiming to godread him ina game 3 years ago is silly. i haven't even played with achro but i saw him post something about how he's 30 and 1 in mafia games this year, that would be a super easy thought to come up with

the volatility in his read on sk feels unnatural

maybe its just w/w and ur right but it kindof reads to me like it could be him not knowing how to push on SK when he's around and containing TMI when SK posts

idk this post sucks lol

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Umineko over on FOL, the one on this forum last year, Witch Anon - I was Hector over on MU.

I promise 'not knowing how to push a team mate' and 'containing TMI when SK posts' as a wolf, regardless of what SK is, is pretty nuts tbh.

And there's also the fact that my read of him changed hours ago when he didn't post, so this entire chain kind of like dies. I thought SK was town earlier because of a mindmeld about game state when I read EOD 1 over, and I town read SK because he was drawing from very specific memories of games we have had together in order to draw a comparison. It wasn't about the ego part - it was about him talking about me misreading him in another game and how he felt that made me go 'yeah that sounds right.'

But uh, yeah, kind of accusing me of being a shitty wolf when that's just how my reads go sometimes as town. You will find no recorded wolf games of me doing either one of those things as obviously as you are making them seem, but I can probably find a dozen town games where I am accused of TMI often.

Anyway that's cap, I don't know what will come of the thread by 5pm tomorrow, but I want a break and I have had fun in my own way.

If you don't think visor is the best chop after what I pointed out, don't know what you're looking for in scum folks. We can talk about other stuff tomorrow lol.

Specifically the big thing was the EOD of keith and how he pushed hard against cape and he didnt lik the idea of info chopping, can you tell me what about that you feel is TMI @nebjiamn because it was the backbone of my re-evaluation and a fatal flaw in your 'he only tr's SK when he is around' argument.

(I also tore into SK for his first post just after he posted it... so obviously I didn't find him towny for that. This whole argument is meritless tbh)

Katze I can understand, I traumatized them last year, but your argument is pretty weird. Check out how I move around my reads in other wolf games, post receipts, and then check a couple of my town games out over on MU under Achromatic, and if you see something similar from wolf me post receipts but rn you are using very general reads of v/w for someone who has an incredibly high skill floor as wolf and someone who is known to be whimsical and 'different' in terms of town reads from most people.

If you're town, gonna be a problem, if you're wolf... gonna be a problem for you.

later

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.

Originally Posted by Achro

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.

(i just counted this is post 50 for me)

as a rule, i don't typically look back at other games cause i find it a bit against the spirit of the game and sometimes i ignore that rule but i don't wanna do that if i don't have to

acknowledged and stuff though. i'm not 'just assuming' anything so sorry if it feels like i'm not giving you a fair shake here. in the same way you have your methods i have mine and coupled with that maybe i suck at explaining but these are more secondary thoughts rather than my immediate world view

and now i feel like i owe an apology to SK here

unless i got both of you

GG moppo GOAT

[x] gottem

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

its not a wolf take tho

insom is a light v read and that is pretty clear from the context of that conversation

at least i think it is

oh yeah I completely missread oops.

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Hm.

I can get the "Idk how you get to SK villa" from the perspective that I'm a good wolf so I could be wolfing at any given time, but that doesn't track well with "sk's posts largely suck" because if you think I'm a wolf and my posts suck then you don't really think I'm a good wolf now do you.

The thing I dislike is that you've failed to take into account that people's alignment are more than "this post sucks/this posting is good", that's just dumb, ppl seemed to think cape's post sucked and he was a villager.

People think my posting sucks all the time as town, often times they do suck, but that doesn't make me a wolf. You not considering that this posting style of mine could be town indicative, just makes me feel like you're a wolf trying to push a misslunch because it's easy to convince people my posting isn't good. All while being told I'm not a wolf from Achro, who has actually played with wolf me and town me (and is the only person who has done so in this playerlist in a normal game aside from Visor but he was a wolf both times).

If your overall point was " dude Achro has TMI of sk being town" then yeah, that's something I could maybe get behind because there's the chance I'm just fooled by Achro who's specifically doing a dance around my slot that's not too different from a dance he did around it in draft mafia (which wouldn't be that crazy considered he mentioned that game).

But you don't seem to believe that since I'm your main push. And the idea of w/w sk/achro seems to be mostly an afterthought ("idk katze maybe you're right about it"). And thus your whole post doesn't seem to be "hey achro, help me understand sk!v", which is something I'd hope people do, but instead a "if you honestly believe sk!v, then you're nuts (and also a wolf looking for anti-consensus-thread)".

I'll acknowledge that my post is a bit hypocrite bc I'm also not completely sure how achro gets to SK!town but i've seen v!achro get to places that I don't follow so I'm not too bothered by it currently.

I'll also acknowledge that at some point I thought insom was w!reading ender at eod and he apparently wasn't. I think my original point re:his post still stands but I might've overconfbiased him being a wolf there