13er summer game thread

[katze]

Cape votes seem ok to me

Just based on his initial posting

@Visor if cape were to reveal as an innocent child what would your preferred vote be?

Hmm.

Are you sure? Final answer?

yep

[Achro]

Okay lets dome then.

Vote: katze

This to my sense feels like how wolf katze thinks town achro thinks town katze thinks like.

Let's find out.

Yeehaw and such.

[katze]

nah

not interested

have a nice day

[Visor]

@Visor if cape were to reveal as an innocent child what would your preferred vote be?



yep

Cape

[katze]

thrilling developments in the 13er summer game thread tonight

[Achro]

Yeah.

Didn't think you'd like that much.

Cool day 1 ez reads. Kill katze if I am wrong you can kill me d2. Such is life of a man who puts everything on the line.

[Visor]

vote: cape

I don't think anyone else really stands out

Dyas posting hasn't kicked on but I'm fine with that for now

Cuth seems okay for now

Nothing really moving the needle re ladd or benneh

[katze]

i'm just going to mentally ignore any posts of yours that are along the lines of "we are thunderdoming on day 1, katze" and carry on with my day

i could go on about how i believe plays like this are just bad for the game health but i'm just going to solve around it instead

if it makes you feel better i do find it hard to believe that you as a villager thinks that this is how i would respond as a wolf, but i'm not weighing that very much into my read on you

[Visor]

insom is a super light v read for me because he's reminding me of his anni attitude

I thought this post was a little iffy, mostly through phrasing, I have a light town read on insom

[Visor]

Achro/dya/cape wilves GG

[Achro]

Okay read over cape and his posting seemed a bit directionless but otherwise fine. Which according to my history means he is scum so carry on.

[katze]

Okay read over cape and his posting seemed a bit directionless but otherwise fine. Which according to my history means he is scum so carry on.

what in his ISO would you define as "otherwise fine"?

[Achro]

i'm just going to mentally ignore any posts of yours that are along the lines of "we are thunderdoming on day 1, katze" and carry on with my day

i could go on about how i believe plays like this are just bad for the game health but i'm just going to solve around it instead

if it makes you feel better i do find it hard to believe that you as a villager thinks that this is how i would respond as a wolf, but i'm not weighing that very much into my read on you

I am sorry but if you are going to vote me and then proceed to shade me for several posts and when I ask you to explain your read you say 'no thanks and sorry how this impacts you' then you don't exactly vst to soap box about thread health. If you are unconcerned about how things impact me then I will in turn reinvest that attitude into you. But worse. Because while I am chiller these days and want a fun game for everyone I am not going to sit here and be shaded while I don't understand your perspective with a smile 'golly gee katze I guess that's fine'

If you think I am scum as town then you are wrong, which is chill but you make yourself unfindable and considering you keep mentioning I am scum every other post I find it very relevant to understanding your alignment why it is you do so.

You may of course ignore me if you like. You have no obligation to participate and I don't need it in order to get votes on you. Hopefully someone agrees that 'teehee won't say' isn't conductive to solving anything.

And if not hey, that's life.

But don't preach to me about game health. How sanctimonious can you be.

[Achro]

what in his ISO would you define as "otherwise fine"?

He was just pointing out things here and there and it felt nai for so early into a low volume game. If he is scum and you want to link me to him have fun I guess.

[insomnia]

I thought this post was a little iffy, mostly through phrasing, I have a light town read on insom

ye ngl, didn’t really get it

feels odd to reference anni and not just a general read there. particularly because idk what was different in anni, and if there was something different, then im pretty sure i didn’t open the same way in here

[Cape90]

I just didn't have a lot of thoughts on anyone's postings besides Achro is obvious town, which he mostly continues to be.

Conflicted on katze, i soulread 60 as wolfy. It conflicts a read I have later though and I ain't sure what the person I think is REALLY sus was getting at with katze. If I have a lot of commentary in my posts what does that make katze? That's a question I want to pose. Like I think the one that really broke that mold for me was 94 and TBF I do sort of townread it just because I usually do that with the whole notion of townreading people for silly reasons thing, which I know in of itself is silly.

In terms of quick reads ladd and EnderWiggin both strike me as town as of right now.

I dont have much time vote:nebjiamn hi ur wolfy. Obviously, ur logs arent good. Ur treatment of my wagon starting up is too kid glovey

Uh i have other reads but i gtg lol

[Achro]

I just didn't have a lot of thoughts on anyone's postings besides Achro is obvious town, which he mostly continues to be.

Conflicted on katze, i soulread 60 as wolfy. It conflicts a read I have later though and I ain't sure what the person I think is REALLY sus was getting at with katze. If I have a lot of commentary in my posts what does that make katze? That's a question I want to pose. Like I think the one that really broke that mold for me was 94 and TBF I do sort of townread it just because I usually do that with the whole notion of townreading people for silly reasons thing, which I know in of itself is silly.

In terms of quick reads ladd and EnderWiggin both strike me as town as of right now.

I dont have much time vote:nebjiamn hi ur wolfy. Obviously, ur logs arent good. Ur treatment of my wagon starting up is too kid glovey

Uh i have other reads but i gtg lol

The last time town Cape called me obvious town I was a wolf who swept him. What's different here compared to that game iyo?

[Cuthillius]

vote:visor

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak

[katze]

hi achromatic i don't really want to respond to your post but i feel like it is genuinely kind of mean not to because my play is clearly bothering you; which i do apologize for. i feel like you are reading my posts tonally like im some anime villain doing evil smiles or something when i really am just like... not? i'd describe my investment in this game as pretty minimal and my feelings towards it as very neutral.

I am sorry but if you are going to vote me and then proceed to shade me for several posts and when I ask you to explain your read you say 'no thanks and sorry how this impacts you' then you don't exactly vst to soap box about thread health.

i voted you before i even actively scumread you

regardless of alignment you are massively overblowing my "shade" on you, lol. it's not even halfway thru d1, i've made it pretty clear that my read on you isn't a strong nor substantiated read

and... i guess it is a bit hypocritical for me to full on ignore you and then complain about your actions leading to an unhealthier thread state. so sorry about that. but also i'm still not answering those posts and think that you deciding to thunderdome someone and kingmake yourself halfway thru d1 is way more disruptive to the flow of the game than me not explaining a read lol. even if i had you as 100% lock i would be entirely uninterested in doming you today.

If you are unconcerned about how things impact me then I will in turn reinvest that attitude into you. But worse. Because while I am chiller these days and want a fun game for everyone I am not going to sit here and be shaded while I don't understand your perspective with a smile 'golly gee katze I guess that's fine'

im not unconcerned with how things impact you i am uninterested in explaining my read on you and added a mildly humorous joke that i guess did not land so again sorry about that but also lol

you're free to invest that attitude onto me though i'm probably just going to ignore it and shrug it off

but you make yourself unfindable and considering you keep mentioning I am scum every other post I find it very relevant to understanding your alignment why it is you do so.

i am not making myself unfindable, i am playing the game. i think i am very findable in every game i play and me not explaining one read to you is not going to be the difference between finding me and not finding me bar very specific situations which i am very confident this is not

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

i wouldn't really feel bad misreading you on post 70 of a game tbh; i currently dislike your vibes, not really something i can go into much detail on if i wanted to and i don't particularly want to anyways

honestly not that much i just wanted to vote him

if i wanted to overthink it i could probs call a few things hes done actively wolfy (and i might believe the lack of confidence is) but i think most of it falls under the "i believe this is probably NAI but it's just silly" tree

i guess typing this out i sorta get the "how do i solve a game with such a low postcap" thing because im used to games having a lot more by now so my hedgy ass doesnt actually have that much i concretely lean one direction or another on but that sounds more like a me problem than an achro problem

also he pocketed me in a game once so im legally obligated to vote him ldo

You may of course ignore me if you like. You have no obligation to participate and I don't need it in order to get votes on you. Hopefully someone agrees that 'teehee won't say' isn't conductive to solving anything.

And if not hey, that's life.

ok

But don't preach to me about game health. How sanctimonious can you be.

i don't think im being sanctimonious, possible i am wrong about that, i did not want to get into a pointless back and forth with you about my read on you because i knew it would go nowhere and warp the thread around us in a way i was uninterested in

which in a twisted fate of irony is exactly what happened in my attempts to not have it happen

life is cruel

[insomnia]

cuth seems to lack self-awareness, feels pretty chill


^ unrelated to his last post, i was skimming back to some posts and saw some of his thoughts

[Cuthillius]

katze thoughts on visor/insomnia/ladd?

[katze]

katze thoughts on visor/insomnia/ladd?

they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

[Achro]

This is post 36, so I am going to cool it overall for the rest of monday and pick back up on things tomorrow, considering I am about 25% of the posts there's a lot of things for the less active people to chew on and discuss that I could hopefully read them on.

Anyway in general, as a matter of mafia philosophy, I think town loses most when they don't see each other very well which is why I like building town cores with focused scum hunting here and there. I find katze's response to me antithetical to that, and it could come from either alignment but it is for sure in her wolf range which is exceedingly large.

If Katze is town, with how good she is as scum, I want more assurance that she is being genuine and has real time thoughts about things that make sense and can be tracked. Her lack of commitment to this is problematic to me because while others were glad to answer my questions, she chose to not do so. It doesn't make her scum, but it does make them unhelpful to my process and I want to put a spotlight on it so others can examine the interactions and how we each approached the other to make up their own minds on our alignments.

I don' really need to reinforce a thunderdome, much less with 14 posts the next 24 hours, I got my answer from the answer katze gave me that they weren't going to be helpful to me at this point so I won't bother further. If others see me as a problem, well at least let me defend myself tomorrow, and if they don't see katze is a problem then I'd love pings to check out your scum case on someone. I actually think Cape is townleaning now based on something I remember from a few games we had played with each other, and I guess I won't try the reverse psychology trick of doubting myself because it sounds kind of lame to do that.

But I think he overplays his paranoia of me as scum, basically. I asked my questioned but then remembered in FAM3 over on FOL he actually thought I was quite villagery early on but in SMAS all stars on MU he was wary, something I liked about him. But I honestly can't read this man for shit so far so I don't know.

Anyway let's see, 12 players 3 scum.


Taffy TOP TOWN for GOATed vote and reasoning on voting me, if flawed
Cuth tonally town
Insomnia tonally town.
Ladd towny for melding with me on Cuth a bit.
Dya townlean for responses to me
I will even throw in cape as a wild card town lean just to be made fun of later. Least surprised person ever if this flips wolf tbh

Anyway so my current POE based off early feelings/lack there of:

Ender (He did something early I liked, but it has gone away now)
Nebjamm
Winston
Visor
Katze

As is TRADITION with me, if I don't have 1 scum in my town leans day 1 my name's not Achro, but that's generally where I am at now.

Later.

[katze]

nobody tell him that was post 35 not post 36

vote: dyachei

[Cuthillius]

they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

ok but could you write more words

[Cuthillius]

or just explain your ladd reasoning more and then talk about the dya vote

your call

ebay

[nebjiamn]

they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

what on gods green earth

i thought u were meming about me

[katze]

ok but could you write more words

i am extremely tempted to say no just because i think it'd be kinda funny after that argument with achro

but i also honestly am not sure what to say like

do people have extensive reasoning for day 1 reads am i missing out on something?

visor seems fine from my experience with him and i thought him replying cape to my "what if cape was an IC" question was funny
insom also feels fine

i prob wouldnt vote either of them day 1 as of now and thats good enough for me

ladd i feel like is kind of obviously viewing the game from an uninformed lens

im not going to get into some "oh he has a good wolf game" fear because if he's a wolf i expect it to be findable by posts he hasn't made yet anyway

if i were to die i would probably not request any of these reads be sheeped because i think all three of these players are going to be hard to catch on day 1 except maybe insomnia

[katze]

or just explain your ladd reasoning more and then talk about the dya vote

your call

ebay

ebay

dya vote is mostly me not being interested in voting achro anymore, voting cape at all, and kinda :hmmyes:ing at the people mentioning their name in a negative way

what on gods green earth

i thought u were meming about me

lol

ur polarized kid

[nebjiamn]

i'd ask both of you to remember this is a chill game but im only gona say it once and then just ignore any posts with more than 100 words

not that i'm blaming either of you but just meh