13er summer game thread

[Raskolnikov]

Start of Day 4 update



@insomnia has been killed! They were vanilla town.

EOD4 in 48 hours (or earlier ). It is LYLO, which means locked votes. Ping me here or on discord for hammer time.


@Winston Hughes
@Cuthillius
@nebjiamn
@Achro
@katze

[Achro]

Majority is 3 btw lol

Anyway I don't have a clue why sk doesn't go for v!cuth if cuth is v given I was strongly suspecting him. Still think katze is town but that was a pretty obv bg so maybe I have things backwards hmm.

Well I like re evaling at lylo so I guess we will see. Not feeling the best so be back later.
@Winston Hughes quick question. Why didn't you want to vote sk eod1 when dya did?

Anyway bbl

[Winston Hughes]

i spent a lot of time reading after i got back from rehearsal and saw the flip

seems to me like it's just katze/achro

[Achro]

i spent a lot of time reading after i got back from rehearsal and saw the flip

seems to me like it's just katze/achro

Well if you are town that's a bit game losing. How did you manage that

[Winston Hughes]

for one thing, yesterday only seems to make sense if most of what the scum was doing was trying to make me vote wrong (and, to be fair, it very nearly worked)

i wondered why sk went for insomnia when i'd said i was probably voting katze or benneh, but if one's a teammate and the other's mr unlynchable...

[katze]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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[Achro]

for one thing, yesterday only seems to make sense if most of what the scum was doing was trying to make me vote wrong (and, to be fair, it very nearly worked)

i wondered why sk went for insomnia when i'd said i was probably voting katze or benneh, but if one's a teammate and the other's mr unlynchable...

You do realize we are sharing a perspective atm in terms of our tunnels. Yes?

I think cuth must be scum because I would have misvoted cuth. You think katze because you woukd have voted katze. Why can't it be cuth/katze iyo?

[Achro]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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Hello katze you are my top villager atm

Warning cuth was my top villager atp yesterday.

Thoughts on cuth?

[Winston Hughes]

Well if you are town that's a bit game losing. How did you manage that

i actually started to properly read what you've been writing, rather than just skimming over it

you've been hiding your intent in mountains of words, overwhelming any real attempt at analysis by providing too much information for anyone to cope with, and giving yourself pre-prepared excuses for more or less every conceivable eventuality

[Winston Hughes]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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benneh and cuth have been solving, you two have just been positioning

[Achro]

i actually started to properly read what you've been writing, rather than just skimming over it

you've been hiding your intent in mountains of words, overwhelming any real attempt at analysis by providing too much information for anyone to cope with, and giving yourself pre-prepared excuses for more or less every conceivable eventuality

Okay well if you are town can you just vote me and end the game because if you think I copy/pasted 22000 words of a solver involving visor that I knew as mafia was nothing then I sm ready for the sweet release of death.

[Winston Hughes]

Okay well if you are town can you just vote me and end the game because if you think I copy/pasted 22000 words of a solver involving visor that I knew as mafia was nothing then I sm ready for the sweet release of death.

tempting, but i should wait for the others i think

[Achro]

tempting, but i should wait for the others i think

But why? You read everything. You said I bullshitted it. Why wait for the two town? Do you think they will tell you they are not town?

What stays your hand? And you never answered my question I posed before: you said you couldnt join dya day 1 on sk. Why was that? Why did you town read him atm?

[Achro]

While you are at it, since you are prepared to cross with me, you should present evidence to the people you think are town of my crimes. Can you cite some specific things that were about positioning?

[Achro]

Further. Why do you think a team of achro/katze/sk chooses to cross with insomnia instead of cuth? You had said earlier in the thread that you felt good about insomnia solving and cuth was in your bottom 3. Why would then not sk build off my narrative and go for the person who you found suspicious over the one whose solving you liked?

[Winston Hughes]

But why? You read everything. You said I bullshitted it. Why wait for the two town? Do you think they will tell you they are not town? What stays your hand?

because i'm not that much of an arsehole

And you never answered my question I posed before: you said you couldnt join dya day 1 on sk. Why was that? Why did you town read him atm?

i honestly don't recall, but i'll have a look and see...

[Achro]

Alright. Well currently you are one of my three suspects. I thought katze looked good in my review even if yesterday's approach wasn't great. But I would like to see what you are talking about.

You have been tunneled on katze since day 1. Usually that would get you killed at some point. Your solve doesn't really make a lot of sense as that team is pointlessly annoying to each other. I was the only one to call out sk's opening wall as anything and I flip flopped on him a lot for really no reason. Especially for a goon of all things.

If you are town we need to have a discourse because I know you are at least 50% wrong and I suspect if town 100% otherwise katze would have dumped you in a river by now. Potentially.

Either way if you see town we need to find one another. Blanket statements isn't going to help me and my stamina is already flagging again so bbl.

But please quote things I have said and explain where your head is at. You left off yesterday thinking cuth was wolf. What posts of his compel you to think otherwise? Do you think that no scum based sk vs town vig? Including two people who at times day 2 were voting sk? If we were a coordinated unit I assume sk would have tried to pocket me less with his tactics he does in other games which I pointed out or seem so worried about Katze's vote day 1.

[Winston Hughes]

ah, now i see

well, i was very drunk by then and i believe i had recently done an iso of sk where he looked townie to me

[Winston Hughes]

Alright. Well currently you are one of my three suspects. I thought katze looked good in my review even if yesterday's approach wasn't great. But I would like to see what you are talking about.

You have been tunneled on katze since day 1. Usually that would get you killed at some point. Your solve doesn't really make a lot of sense as that team is pointlessly annoying to each other. I was the only one to call out sk's opening wall as anything and I flip flopped on him a lot for really no reason. Especially for a goon of all things.

If you are town we need to have a discourse because I know you are at least 50% wrong and I suspect if town 100% otherwise katze would have dumped you in a river by now. Potentially.

Either way if you see town we need to find one another. Blanket statements isn't going to help me and my stamina is already flagging again so bbl.

But please quote things I have said and explain where your head is at. You left off yesterday thinking cuth was wolf. What posts of his compel you to think otherwise? Do you think that no scum based sk vs town vig? Including two people who at times day 2 were voting sk? If we were a coordinated unit I assume sk would have tried to pocket me less with his tactics he does in other games which I pointed out or seem so worried about Katze's vote day 1.

the game looks very different when you know sk is scum

[Achro]

ah, now i see

well, i was very drunk by then and i believe i had recently done an iso of sk where he looked townie to me

Okay. What is the wolf goal of achro who tells you to vote sk if I am trying to get you to not vote sk? I even gave 4-5 good reasons before I capped changing my mind from insomnia. Warning sk publicly that if he voted I would snap vote him. He then didn't vote until the next day.

Your narrative has holes the size of the moon in it. You need to re evaluate if town.

[Achro]

the game looks very different when you know sk is scum

I read it back too. Show your work. How does my behavior towards you yesterday in pushing sk after he tried to rush the vote indicate someone who is trying to get you to err?

[Winston Hughes]

While you are at it, since you are prepared to cross with me, you should present evidence to the people you think are town of my crimes. Can you cite some specific things that were about positioning?

no

i'm not playing your game

it's boring and i don't see the point

[Achro]

Ok. I will be voting you before I go to sleep tonight in 5 yours if you don't show your work. If you are town we would lose anyway. Fair. Ty for your time.

[katze]

sry went afk for a bit

Hello katze you are my top villager atm

Warning cuth was my top villager atp yesterday.

Thoughts on cuth?

complicated

i feel like in terms of social he's still really villagery and i think his posting this game is like, basically the same guy i've been v/v with twice now

i also know he's a killer wolf and that it's too late to just say that.

i felt like yesterday EoD was kind of w/w between him and keith, but it's not something i'd bet the game on. i feel like the game Fits Better if he's mafia, but again i don't think i'd bet on that either.

i plan to get a more thorough look through at him later today so "This answer sucks" is correct

benneh and cuth have been solving, you two have just been positioning

i would agree that yesterday i was positioning a fair bit

intentionally so, even. was not at all prepared for the day to end with a wolf executed as soon as it did. then i didnt read a word last night because i expected to die. so

cant really speak for achro, looks like he's already speaking for himself (havent rly read the posts yet)

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[katze]

before anyone asks my current team is benneh/cuth so i'd prefer you two not cross yet but i would be 0% surprised if that changed later

but for the sake of my sanity i would prefer no votes are cast tonight, cuz i gotta attend to nerd stuff for a bit.

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[Winston Hughes]

if i might be forgiven for yelling at some clouds for a moment

back in the day, we regularly used to solve games with 20+ players where the whole thing took less than a thousands posts - very few of which were walls, and none of which were the kinds of walls you've spammed this thread up with from the go

this idea that everyone has to explain every last thought they have...

if you're whiskeyjack in the s3 (?) final and you've got infinite reserves of patience, genius-level memory, and a gift for both reading and organising information, then having more of it is helpful, for sure

but how's it been working out recently, eh?

seems like everyone keeps posting more and town just keeps getting fucked harder and harder

[Winston Hughes]

Ok. I will be voting you before I go to sleep tonight in 5 yours if you don't show your work. If you are town we would lose anyway. Fair. Ty for your time.

do what you want

but i'm not going to be bullied into playing this your way

[Achro]

I mean. Recently? I think I have won like 18 of my last 20 town games or so. Pretty well.

But if you are the town you are the one who thinks I am lock wolf when I am not so idk.

Everyone had different styles that work for them. I admitted I was going to have issues because I have played uncapped most of my mafia career and now I also am on fol which is a bit spammy. Was pretty up front about that.

But I detected sk's bad intent yesterday so that makes me happy.

But uh it's not really bullying. You are actually kind of being a bully to me if anything. 'You are lock scum' 'show me why' 'no'

I feel very bullied rn tbh if you are town. You are giving me no win condition when we are supposed to be allies. I don't understand and can't defend myself against vague attacks. My brain also starts to hurt when people like taffy and visor say things against me and I mean that literally not in an insulting way. Their posts hurt. So if you aren't going to give me the consideration to present me with things then yeah I will just vote you and if you are town I can leave you to your own devices never to darken your door step again.

[Achro]

before anyone asks my current team is benneh/cuth so i'd prefer you two not cross yet but i would be 0% surprised if that changed later

but for the sake of my sanity i would prefer no votes are cast tonight, cuz i gotta attend to nerd stuff for a bit.

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For the sake of my sanity if winston is going to get on a soap box and complain about being asked to provide evidence I would rather just lose tbh

Some things matter more than a mafia game and I atm agree with your solve

[Achro]

By the way winston. Regardless of alignment I have 0 intent of bullying you. I don't always lnow how things I say are phrased precisely and how they will impact other players. I just wanted answers so I could understand your pov because I am trying to solve you still

So I apologize if I came off aggressive it was not my intent