13er summer game thread

[Achro]

own what? that my claim is fake?

at this point im kinda tempted to because the one time i actually rolled PR nobody fucking believes it lmao

bodyguard makes perfect sense, it adds noise to the motion detector and the wolf poisoner can bypass it





can you actually address the fact that you asked me "why am i scum" when i am currently, at worst, unsure on you, and at best, townreading you??

I believe it tbf

3/13 with poisoner but only a MD and a vig for town feels a little off tbh balance wise. Just from a 'a balanced game' perspective it makes perfect sense to me.

[Cuthillius]

Benneh thing sure, I don't understand and may never understand but I don't need to understand everything a villager does, so fine I will set that aside for now and not focus on it.

Who do you think is Katze's partner? Please don't say 'it doesn't matter' because I think it does, and you think I am town, so if you can't move at my pace here (and I have conceded the benneh topic for now to be fair to you, so I think giving a little is also fair) I need to see some partner work for katze because I feel like benneh and winston feel unaligned to katze atm.

huh? i don't know

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

i just thought more about their claim overnight and think it's not true and thus am going to completely disregard it from here on out

[Achro]

huh? i don't know

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

i just thought more about their claim overnight and think it's not true and thus am going to completely disregard it from here on out

Oh, okay so katze can be fpsing vllager in your eyes. Got it.

Well, I need to see some proactive solving. You just need one more villager, and EOD2 you had a very good eye on things - you saw before me that visor and dya were town. So if you are a villager I trust you can find the one other villager besides us, explain it in a way I can understand, and hey I turned around a benneh/cuth/insomnia solve to stab SK so I am a bit unpredictable at lylo. I like it that way.

[Winston Hughes]

can you actually address the fact that you asked me "why am i scum" when i am currently, at worst, unsure on you, and at best, townreading you??

tbh probably not

[Cuthillius]

I believe it tbf

3/13 with poisoner but only a MD and a vig for town feels a little off tbh balance wise. Just from a 'a balanced game' perspective it makes perfect sense to me.

bodyguard is a super wack role to put in as a town role in this small of a game where wolves have a single poison and town has a vig

i'm not saying it isn't balanced it just makes no sense from a design perspective

and also they were like oh it should be obvious yesterday a while before specifying bg

and also they were like ah you'd have thought this would make me believe visor more

but if i was bg that would make me more suspicious of a town vig claim tbh

[Achro]

tbh probably not

If you are a wolf you've already beaten me I am not even going to lie.

[katze]

tbh probably not

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

[Winston Hughes]

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

you'll get there

[Cuthillius]

Oh, okay so katze can be fpsing vllager in your eyes. Got it.

Well, I need to see some proactive solving. You just need one more villager, and EOD2 you had a very good eye on things - you saw before me that visor and dya were town. So if you are a villager I trust you can find the one other villager besides us, explain it in a way I can understand, and hey I turned around a benneh/cuth/insomnia solve to stab SK so I am a bit unpredictable at lylo. I like it that way.

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

[Achro]

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

Yes. Especially when I am in a new environment and nervous about things and bein voted by two people already for 1) no stated reason and 2) me admitting to being insecure

(that was a bad time for me and I am proud of myself it took me until day 2 to lose my cool even though I should never lose my cool - this game sucked for awhile for me)

[katze]

bodyguard is a super wack role to put in as a town role in this small of a game where wolves have a single poison and town has a vig

i'm not saying it isn't balanced it just makes no sense from a design perspective

and also they were like oh it should be obvious yesterday a while before specifying bg

and also they were like ah you'd have thought this would make me believe visor more

but if i was bg that would make me more suspicious of a town vig claim tbh

i didnt say it made me believe visor more it made me realize that the Optimal Play of Not Voting The Vig Claim made even more sense when if he was town i could bodyguard him and ~guarantee he gets at least one shot off

i thought it was obvious that i was a protective role and obvious i was a weak role and i was complaining about the NK

but i just have tmi on that bit so shrugze

[Winston Hughes]

If you are a wolf you've already beaten me I am not even going to lie.

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

like peas in a pod

[Achro]

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

I mean, you just said it yourself though, right? If Katze is actually bg, then naturally they would be more suspicious of a vig claim.

[Achro]

like peas in a pod

Well, I do think we're the same alignment ATM it's just the opposite of what you started the day thinking lmao.

[Cuthillius]

on paper winston looks the worst, but i almost think sk would have been more intentional about distancing at least a little bit because he straight up just ignored winston and then randomly said he didn't think it was him yesterday and had nothing to back it up

it almost looks excessively partner-y from sk's side

but maybe that's getting into unhelpful levels

winston's sk progression was suuper sketch though

[Cuthillius]

I mean, you just said it yourself though, right? If Katze is actually bg, then naturally they would be more suspicious of a vig claim.

yes but that's not what they said

yesterday when they claimed bg they were like you would have thought that this would have made me take visor more seriously lmao

[Achro]

yes but that's not what they said

yesterday when they claimed bg they were like you would have thought that this would have made me take visor more seriously lmao

Hm, fair enough. Katze is not you after all I forgot about that. Point withdrawn.

[Cuthillius]

i didnt say it made me believe visor more it made me realize that the Optimal Play of Not Voting The Vig Claim made even more sense when if he was town i could bodyguard him and ~guarantee he gets at least one shot off

i thought it was obvious that i was a protective role and obvious i was a weak role and i was complaining about the NK

but i just have tmi on that bit so shrugze

shrugze indeed

[Winston Hughes]

winston's sk progression was suuper sketch though

aye, it was

i fucked up bad

[Cuthillius]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

[Cuthillius]

i fell asleep with spotify playing yesterday and when i just opened it up right now it had apparently stopped playing on a song by the group "psychedelic porn crumpets"

which is wolfy

[Cuthillius]

ok it's actually not a bad song

[Winston Hughes]

[Cuthillius]

bro you were supposed to post that in #music not in the thread

[Cuthillius]

that joke didn't actually make sense

shame on me

[Achro]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

Yes, I'll do that now for you. I have a couple of questions down below for you if you could, thank you.


@katze

Did you follow along the light 15er I played at all with Sea Shell where I tried to be a gyarados? In it I found two mafia partners because they spoke to each other in a way that wolf wouldn't generally do to town because they knew they could get away with it.
@Winston Hughes I want your thoughts as well on this interaction, I have already sold benneh I think on cuth (and cuth can of course respond, just giving thoughts)

vote: silverkeith

it's literally mechanics

vote: cuthillius.


mech this you filthy wolf

I don't actually disagree with cuth that much on his mech read and I'm making shit up to win the argument but I think that

- him saying my points didn't make sense
- Proceeding to only focus on this part of the game (visor's claim) that isn't really relevant to the game, while THE REST OF THE GAME IS HAPPENING
- giving me shit for it even if me being "wrong" about mech isn't even meaningful

is actually wolfy.

Note: SK then the next day wasn't even going to bother waiting for Cuth to respond to wall after wall of posts thinking he was wolfy. After saying this day 2. Someone, Winston you think Cuth is town so help me out, explain to me why wolf SK doesn't target V!Cuth there in V! me worlds. I guess the 'problem' of course is that Winston doesn't think I am a villager right now. But from my perspective I can find no reason why SK wouldn't have done this cross instead.

or maybe you are just sleep deprived

I moved to benneh because I was trying to compromise

I tried lol

ok can we just kill sk

Sorry I don't buy that you think visor is clear for his claim.

I'd buy if you were willing to give him another day but saying a claim clears him is bs.

Like it's just words he's a good wolf how tf could it clear him.

Why does W!SK ever talk to V!Cuth like this and start a vanity wagon on him?

?????????

this is the most pointless interaction i have had all game and that's saying something

w/w

I am looking you dead in the eyes Benneh lol

sk/benneh
katze/insom/taffy?

Cuth can you explain what this post means exactly? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
@Cuthillius

Also while you are here I saw this looking up benneh stuff, and I am confused

uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)

Here you call dya '100% a villager' but today you are more modest, not claiming credit and saying.

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

Can you see from an objective POV why I have trouble thinking that these two statements align? I am not arguing in bad faith, I am not saying this is a silver bullet. It's just... you tell me today it wasn't a strong v read, but in the moment you said dya was basically lock town. That doesn't fill me with confidence that I am being spoken to with the truth.

[Winston Hughes]

so it's benneh/achro vs cuth/katze?

[katze]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

i opened it and i dont see anything that makes me think "wow, calling these two aligned is a terrible read and i should feel bad for having it"

am i not reading far enough? like yeah benneh pushes SK but its not like... a burial or anything

[Cuthillius]

mostly just a) visor is a villager b) dya is very probably just a villager c) sure dya and benneh are good enough players that visor would probably feel less responsible to carry than otherwise but it really isn't a productive discussion because a)

this is the post i made to explain more when you asked me about that the first time lol

i didn't think dya was a 100% villager

but i did think it was pretty likely towards eod given i did believe pretty strongly in sk at that point and they were one of the people not killing visor and our reads lined up a fair amount

but i wouldn't call that finding them like i didn't really assess their posts individually and decide ah yes this is a villager it just got there towards the end of the phase based on how stuff was playing out

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the post with five names was my poe with the top two being most likely wolves at that point in time and then the backup candidates

[Winston Hughes]

bro you were supposed to post that in #music not in the thread

not gonna apologise

is a bangin tune