13er summer game thread

[Achro]

this is the post i made to explain more when you asked me about that the first time lol

i didn't think dya was a 100% villager

but i did think it was pretty likely towards eod given i did believe pretty strongly in sk at that point and they were one of the people not killing visor and our reads lined up a fair amount

but i wouldn't call that finding them like i didn't really assess their posts individually and decide ah yes this is a villager it just got there towards the end of the phase based on how stuff was playing out

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the post with five names was my poe with the top two being most likely wolves at that point in time and then the backup candidates

Okay, I thought so.

So if I wasn't in your poe of 5 in a game that at that point had a total of 9 not you players, why didn't you vote benneh with me when he was tied with Visor for the lead?

These aren't mant to be gotchas. I just don't understand your decision making process and I need to if I am going to find you. I know I said no benneh stuff, but you told me you were suspicious of me today and thats why you didnt vote with me

achro i'm gonna restate what i said yesterday again

i didn't vote benneh with you because i didn't think you were very villagery (and had become more suspicious of you in that last moment) and i didn't want to kill benneh

so stop saying cuth wolf because he didn't really want to kill benneh because you're damn right i didn't really want to kill benneh

and i've talked about my reasoning around that more than i feel i should have any need to already

but i can talk about specifics more if it helps you find me here

because if you vote me the game's over

that's just it

But according to that benneh was top 2 for you but your vote at the time I believe was on insomnia, with SK your other top mafia read with benneh and not with me - who didn't make your top 5.

I am lost, Cuth.

Please explain?

@Winston Hughes eyes on this please, if you don't mind. I think the answer to this is critical.

[Cuthillius]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

[nebjiamn]

I wonder if achro knows I’m widely considered the goat

he may not know

[Achro]

but if i am, cuth and benneh are being so subtle i can't detect it at all

whereas i feel like katze and achro have been trying to move me for days

Well, yes.

Because I am actively trying to get you to do things as a fellow villager. Part of being a villager for me is trying to convince people on things of all sorts.

I would never deny this. I am overtly trying to change your world view about things.

[nebjiamn]

my kalbi was delicious btw

[Achro]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

[Winston Hughes]

im gonna be honest it stopped being fun for me a bit ago

sorry to hear that

i suggest not giving a fuck

[Cuthillius]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

[Cuthillius]

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

one happened before you posted yourself clear and one happened after

two different instances

[Cuthillius]

if you're scum that shit was beautiful

i'd like to think you're capable

i'm not sure you are

i'm probably not mature enough

what shit

[Achro]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

[Cuthillius]

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

other way around? i thought you were fairly villagery d1, that stuck around through when i thought visor was an outed wolf, and then he wasn't and then you were trying to get me to vote benneh with you while you were still strongly w-reading visor lmao

[Achro]

to clarify, that could happen as a wolf too btw and I would never ask anyone to clear me off of anything like that. I wouldn't be 'faking' it as a wolf, I just have a bad reaction to certain stimuli regardless of alignment in game. I would certainly never fake that, but I could do it as a wolf under the right conditions.

[Cuthillius]

to clarify, that could happen as a wolf too btw and I would never ask anyone to clear me off of anything like that. I wouldn't be 'faking' it as a wolf, I just have a bad reaction to certain stimuli regardless of alignment in game. I would certainly never fake that, but I could do it as a wolf under the right conditions.

noted, but i don't think it changes my sentiment much in this instance

[Achro]

other way around? i thought you were fairly villagery d1, that stuck around through when i thought visor was an outed wolf, and then he wasn't and then you were trying to get me to vote benneh with you while you were still strongly w-reading visor lmao

Hm. I don't understand this. Literally, it's not your issue it is mine.

So here is the events. I propose a team of Visor/Benneh/Dya, we find out that Visor has a claim and you do not want to kill Visor, and I go 'okay! I have more than one scum read, you want to kill Benneh, he's in my solve, let's do this together then" and that made you suspicious? Am I understanding you?

[Cuthillius]

Hm. I don't understand this. Literally, it's not your issue it is mine.

So here is the events. I propose a team of Visor/Benneh/Dya, we find out that Visor has a claim and you do not want to kill Visor, and I go 'okay! I have more than one scum read, you want to kill Benneh, he's in my solve, let's do this together then" and that made you suspicious? Am I understanding you?

i didn't care about you having a team of visor/benneh/dya prior to ender walking back the pr claim completely and it being clear that visor was probably just a villager

at that time i still thought you were villagery and honestly thought you having that as your solve was villagery too

but then when you kept pushing visor worlds after that i started becoming less comfortable with it in general and so when you were like lettuce kill benneh together because i think he's with visor and you think he's with sk i was like um no thanks

and then i didn't vote him with you at eod because i didn't ever want to kill him over sk there

[Winston Hughes]

i'm probably not mature enough

touche

what shit

the way you played d2+3

[Cuthillius]

achro can you point me to where you talked about katze not making sense with winston/benneh

[Achro]

i didn't care about you having a team of visor/benneh/dya prior to ender walking back the pr claim completely and it being clear that visor was probably just a villager

at that time i still thought you were villagery and honestly thought you having that as your solve was villagery too

but then when you kept pushing visor worlds after that i started becoming less comfortable with it in general and so when you were like lettuce kill benneh together because i think he's with visor and you think he's with sk i was like um no thanks

and then i didn't vote him with you at eod because i didn't ever want to kill him over sk there

Okay, got it.

So, I am voting you now.

vote: Cuthillius

If you are a villager, this is 100% my skill issue and I apologize for not being able to find you. You have made a lot of good posts this game and I am unfamiliar with you, so maybe I am just spinning things out of control but my view of the game at present is I just don't understand your POV at all.

So, there are two scenarios here.

If I am wrong, I always lose anyway. If I wait to vote, if I don't wait to vote. I am just recognizing earnestly that I am never finding you. Again, I will accept all heat both for my skill issues at reading through the game as well as me losing my cool in a way that is never acceptable. It is all my fault, no problem. I have the confidence to spare to be shredded over being wrong.

If I am right, and don't vote you, someone's going to vote katze eventually and Winston is probably going to jump on that. Then I lose even though I am right.

If the game continues in the 'Achro is right about Cuth' world then the final 3 happens and who the fuck knows if I am right or wrong, but getting to final 3 is pretty cool with me. I believe REGARDLESS of who your partner is at that point they would bus you (So I want vote order to be Benneh first since Benneh strongly believed my case on you, so as villager or wolf he's kinda gotta vote for you. Then Winston, regardless of alignment, has said benneh is lock town and has to vote with HIM so katze doesnt even get a vote and bam f3 here we go who knows what will happen.

If you flip blocker, katze should ALWAYS protect me tonight as bg and then we get to see the lights come on in f3. If you don't, I will leave it up to fate.

And if I was wrong, we were never winning anyway. I am sorry, I just can't force myself to understand your POV.

I am logging out. Sorry if I am skill issued.

[katze]

well its not me and benneh or me and winston

i have nothing to say

[Cuthillius]

are you actually serious

[Cuthillius]

you postcapped before i was able to be in thread yesterday after locking me in as wolf, and then straight up snap me here after i've actually had a chance to explain literally your sole justification for wolf-reading me

come on, man

[Winston Hughes]

still just achro/katze from where i'm sitting

[Achro]

oh thank fucking god

[katze]

still just achro/katze from where i'm sitting

im snapvoting whoever isnt named winston in f3 glgl

[Cuthillius]

just a shitty way to play as either alignment

both towards the game and towards me

[Achro]

just a shitty way to play as either alignment

both towards the game and towards me

Nah, sorry I am not taking that one.
@nebjiamn come vote your scum read you agreed with me on.

Your story just didn't make any sense tbh. Sorry if you feel slighted, but I noticed way too many things and you kept having new explanations.

[Cuthillius]

that's actually so tilting

if you're not a wolf we're gonna have some words after the game

[Achro]

okay, at this point I am not even going to try to find the other wolf, I am shaking.

whoo okay, very cool very good

[katze]

that's actually so tilting

if you're not a wolf we're gonna have some words after the game

me and winston have already ack'd the vote brother