13er summer game thread

[Winston Hughes]

you're free to go for now

It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

[katze]

im finding it hard to get into this game for some reason. weird because I love the player list

my secret wolf read is benneh

can u articulate that read some?

id be interested to hear it cause ive kinda shelved him as obvious town a while ago but i could be selling him short (i probably am even if im right, this guy won a wolf award once upon a time!)

i don't really trust my read on you fwiw

paincat is a thing

fair enuf, point was that it sounded like you agreed i was probably town [for now] and id consider you someone with more exp with me than most this list

i know the FEAR will probs always kinda exist on d1

It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

nod nod

funnily enough im not really trying to shift any narratives this game im just kinda pressing buttons and seeing where i feel comfortable, i just talk a lot

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

[dyachei]

can u articulate that read some?

id be interested to hear it cause ive kinda shelved him as obvious town a while ago but i could be selling him short (i probably am even if im right, this guy won a wolf award once upon a time!)



fair enuf, point was that it sounded like you agreed i was probably town [for now] and id consider you someone with more exp with me than most this list

i know the FEAR will probs always kinda exist on d1



nod nod

funnily enough im not really trying to shift any narratives this game im just kinda pressing buttons and seeing where i feel comfortable, i just talk a lot

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

he's just kind of falling flat rn. Town benneh usually does more solving and I havent seen that here. That said, wolf benneh tries to lead more and he's not doing that either. So I'm not super confident but he's not doing enough for me to v read him and if i don't v read him, he's more likely to be a wolf

[Winston Hughes]

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

[Winston Hughes]

I started that response sober...

[Winston Hughes]

katze = obvscum for distracting me from drunken shitposting by being interesting

[nebjiamn]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

sick post

i hope you're a wolf cause this is a masterpiece

[Cuthillius]

Dyachei(2): katze, ender
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(1): ladd
Katze (2): insomnia, cuth
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Not voting (3): Dyachei, achro, Winston

Will be driving today. Should post more tallies close to EOD.

@Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

Anyway I think I like Visor's vote on me now when earlier I didn't. I 5hink he would be wary of just having a vote chill on a villager for most of the day and not care that I didn't like it as a wolf since he knows I can be prickly at times. Nothing too indicative or anything since he is just floating with it but maybe more town than scum.

respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

eh. i guess "threadspewed town" probably never applied to them. @Cuthillius i noticed you never rly commented on taffy during that period of posts, whys that?

there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

wolf rangevilla range

shitpost range

this post made me very happy

i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him

i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol

[dyachei]

@Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

this post made me very happy

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol

hi cuth!

I am happy to be playing with you again. Sorry I made you meh.

I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

[Totally not Taffy]

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

Would you two prefer to chat rather than have me read up rn? Mind you I have very few opinions yet.

[dyachei]

Would you two prefer to chat rather than have me read up rn? Mind you I have very few opinions yet.

why dont we start with what reads you do have and why?

[Cuthillius]

hi cuth!

I am happy to be playing with you again. Sorry I made you meh.

I do agree it's hard to engage people this game

<3 <3

thank you for this post!

and no worries

glad you're playing too and good to see you around in general!

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

but on top of that when some of the people who like are in the poe and could be sorted are just refusing to elaborate or talk through their thoughts it's frustrating

[Totally not Taffy]

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

I disagree btw, first of all it makes no logical sense to me that you'd start by sifting through the players you know the least and secondly it makes for a very unwelcoming experience for newer players.

[EnderWiggin]

<3 <3

thank you for this post!

and no worries

glad you're playing too and good to see you around in general!

i guess it feels like it's already somewhat in the general vibe where a lot of these "stacked" playerlists end up where d1 is just everyone standing around being like idk a lot of people are either villagery or i don't super wanna vote them so maybe we'll just have a few little spats and otherwise try to pretend we're not gonna vote one of the less experienced players at eod

which is i think broadly okay and to be expected to some extent

but on top of that when some of the people who like are in the poe and could be sorted are just refusing to elaborate or talk through their thoughts it's frustrating

I want it on record that I also don't enjoy this facet and actively try and work against it. Which is mildly amusing because I think I'm being accused of being closed off and encouraging it here. =P

[Achro]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

This is the type of post from someone like winston that if you think it came from a wolf people make fun of you for it post game.

I get voting me I am a villain but winston as my only partner is very lmao imo

(I have been saying this for awhile now recency bias)

[Achro]

It really is a joy to watch you work. The way you gently nudge your thumb onto that scale, just enough to shift the narrative.

And, for sure, you do this kind of thing as any alignment. That's just good play.

What's more interesting is the 'why' you do it.

This game, so far, the why looks more scummy than townie to me.

Lmao winston is so uninformed I am sorry but this is just so cute and paranoid omg