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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
just off the top of my head
i am thinking now, though
i have to make achro town because if he's played like this as scum it's frankly stomach-turning - if he was to win as scum playing like this (in a casual game, no less) i would be genuinely disgusted
and if achro is town, the way the votes played out at eod yesterday mean that sk is very likely town as well - it just wouldn't seem worth the other scum's risk to get him chopped there, when visor was such an easy option
cuth i've been townreading since the latter part of d1 based on his tone and mood; i also feel like he genuinely tried to save visor yesterday
for the other three of you, while there have been measures of towniness in your tone at times, at no point have i ever really felt it was anything you couldn't easily fake
If you are town I would ask you let katze resolve as pr. just off the top of my head
i am thinking now, though
i have to make achro town because if he's played like this as scum it's frankly stomach-turning - if he was to win as scum playing like this (in a casual game, no less) i would be genuinely disgusted
and if achro is town, the way the votes played out at eod yesterday mean that sk is very likely town as well - it just wouldn't seem worth the other scum's risk to get him chopped there, when visor was such an easy option
cuth i've been townreading since the latter part of d1 based on his tone and mood; i also feel like he genuinely tried to save visor yesterday
for the other three of you, while there have been measures of towniness in your tone at times, at no point have i ever really felt it was anything you couldn't easily fake
I think we agree on benneh so if we are all wrong it's kind of gg
Originally Posted by insomnia:
why do you think sk is a villa, winston?
for the initial read it's mainly that i got town vibes from my iso yesterdaywhy do you think sk is a villa, winston?
but more important now is this:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): enderl
if achro is town, and sk is scum, then sk's buddies let him rand when they really didn't need toVisor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): enderl
i'm not gonna say lock town for this, but it's enough that i can't see myself chopping sk today
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
Have skimmed some of the last pages.
I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.
I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.
Have skimmed some of the last pages.
I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.
I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
out of this eod I think ladd/cape are town.
I'm ok with Dya town. I'm currently ok with Achro being town.
Taffy maybe town
out of this eod I think ladd/cape are town.
I'm ok with Dya town. I'm currently ok with Achro being town.
Taffy maybe town
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
I still don't think dya posts this as a wolf
I still don't think dya posts this as a wolf
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.
I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)
I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.
But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.
Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")
Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track
"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.
I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)
I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.
But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.
Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")
Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
Going to sleep.
Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
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I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.
Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.
Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.
Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.
aaaGoing to sleep.
Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
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I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.
Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.
Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.
Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
Have skimmed some of the last pages.
I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.
I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.
Have skimmed some of the last pages.
I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.
I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
out of this eod I think ladd/cape are town.
I'm ok with Dya town. I'm currently ok with Achro being town.
Taffy maybe town
out of this eod I think ladd/cape are town.
I'm ok with Dya town. I'm currently ok with Achro being town.
Taffy maybe town
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
I still don't think dya posts this as a wolf
I still don't think dya posts this as a wolf
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.
I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)
I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.
But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.
Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")
Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track
"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.
I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)
I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.
But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.
Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")
Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track
Originally Posted by SilverKeith:
Going to sleep.
Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
-----
I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.
Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.
Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.
Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.
Going to sleep.
Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
-----
I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.
Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.
Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.
Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
for the initial read it's mainly that i got town vibes from my iso yesterday
but more important now is this:
if achro is town, and sk is scum, then sk's buddies let him rand when they really didn't need to
i'm not gonna say lock town for this, but it's enough that i can't see myself chopping sk today
fmpov it's 4 villas voting for sk, confirmedfor the initial read it's mainly that i got town vibes from my iso yesterday
but more important now is this:
if achro is town, and sk is scum, then sk's buddies let him rand when they really didn't need to
i'm not gonna say lock town for this, but it's enough that i can't see myself chopping sk today
benneh is the only worrisome name. my other PoE slots are voting to save him /shrug
Originally Posted by insomnia:
im almost a little annoyed that everyone keeps saying katze has been solving or doesn't make sense as a wolf with anyone, so much so that im considering that im somehow not paying enough attention to his posts or the game (which is probably true)
it's almost so surreal to me that im half tempted to just put him as my yolo third villa and blame everyone if it's wrong, but that would be petty and not too smart coming from me. not sure how much i care atp about that though, im a tired washed playah
Okay that's just my pov you don't have to get annoyed or anything. Let's talk it out. im almost a little annoyed that everyone keeps saying katze has been solving or doesn't make sense as a wolf with anyone, so much so that im considering that im somehow not paying enough attention to his posts or the game (which is probably true)
it's almost so surreal to me that im half tempted to just put him as my yolo third villa and blame everyone if it's wrong, but that would be petty and not too smart coming from me. not sure how much i care atp about that though, im a tired washed playah
katze(3): WH, Visor, cuth
Visor(3): Taffy, insom, Achro
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
So I am town. Wh/cuth went podracing yesterday. You are town. So katze/benneh/sk feels snug? Or you got something else in mind.
@insomnia @Winston Hughes
Would love feedback on me two cuth walls analyzing rod yesterday re: possible benneh/cuth unless you want to wait for duth to explain themselves before discussing it.
Originally Posted by Achro:
Okay that's just my pov you don't have to get annoyed or anything. Let's talk it out.
katze(3): WH, Visor, cuth
Visor(3): Taffy, insom, Achro
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
So I am town. Wh/cuth went podracing yesterday. You are town. So katze/benneh/sk feels snug? Or you got something else in mind.
@insomnia @Winston Hughes
Would love feedback on me two cuth walls analyzing rod yesterday re: possible benneh/cuth unless you want to wait for duth to explain themselves before discussing it.
im not really gonna fight it, maybe i was just sleepwalking past his posts cuz he was having times when posting walls a lot of the timeOkay that's just my pov you don't have to get annoyed or anything. Let's talk it out.
katze(3): WH, Visor, cuth
Visor(3): Taffy, insom, Achro
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
So I am town. Wh/cuth went podracing yesterday. You are town. So katze/benneh/sk feels snug? Or you got something else in mind.
@insomnia @Winston Hughes
Would love feedback on me two cuth walls analyzing rod yesterday re: possible benneh/cuth unless you want to wait for duth to explain themselves before discussing it.
i kinda just wanna take it because it feels like he's threadspewed through my lense lol. but i find it odd there's 0 paranoia for him /shrug
Originally Posted by insomnia:
and if you are still stuck on katze, can you make a case as to why?
also, what do you think of the way he's getting treated? it is almost universal to me that everyone says he doesn't fit with wolves or that his solving was good
i think katze has done what katze does as a wolf: positions himself perfectly to stay just out of danger from the lynch without making himself the most obvious candidate for an nkand if you are still stuck on katze, can you make a case as to why?
also, what do you think of the way he's getting treated? it is almost universal to me that everyone says he doesn't fit with wolves or that his solving was good
katze is a remarkably subtle manipulator, and i don't see how any of the manipulations in this game have really been townie in intent
the solving process is coherent and plausible, but as something of an expert at faking process myself, it's not what i look for in the play of someone with katze's skills - what i look for is impact, and of that there has been remarkably little
the same hold true for fit with wolves - there are plenty of superficial reasons katze doesn't fit with any given player, but i don't recall any deeper ones; hell, i'd probably be the deepest one, and if i was someone else looking in who knew us both, i'd still think there was a decent chance we were buddies
Originally Posted by insomnia:
im not really gonna fight it, maybe i was just sleepwalking past his posts cuz he was having times when posting walls a lot of the time
i kinda just wanna take it because it feels like he's threadspewed through my lense lol. but i find it odd there's 0 paranoia for him /shrug
...im not really gonna fight it, maybe i was just sleepwalking past his posts cuz he was having times when posting walls a lot of the time
i kinda just wanna take it because it feels like he's threadspewed through my lense lol. but i find it odd there's 0 paranoia for him /shrug
Did.... did you not see the two huge walls of paranoia I posted before you got here up above???
i've read your wall
think it's best to let him reply before i say anything.
think it's best to let him reply before i say anything.
Originally Posted by insomnia:
fmpov it's 4 villas voting for sk, confirmed
benneh is the only worrisome name. my other PoE slots are voting to save him /shrug
yeah, i can see thatfmpov it's 4 villas voting for sk, confirmed
benneh is the only worrisome name. my other PoE slots are voting to save him /shrug
and for that (among other reasons) your push on me today makes total sense
of course, it would also make sense as scum
but i feel like giving you a townpoint for how and when you did it
Originally Posted by insomnia:
fmpov it's 4 villas voting for sk, confirmed
hang on, sorry, four?fmpov it's 4 villas voting for sk, confirmed
what did i miss there?
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
yeah, i can see that
and for that (among other reasons) your push on me today makes total sense
of course, it would also make sense as scum
but i feel like giving you a townpoint for how and when you did it
tbh my push on you really came once katze claimed PR which im not even sure how to take yetyeah, i can see that
and for that (among other reasons) your push on me today makes total sense
of course, it would also make sense as scum
but i feel like giving you a townpoint for how and when you did it
achro, i must've skipped past it lmfao. either way i doubt we're going katze today so im fine not discussing him
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
hang on, sorry, four?
what did i miss there?
ah right, i guess i was taking cuth as a villager in my mind since he's one of my 2 clearshang on, sorry, four?
what did i miss there?
sk has the best view here
imo if he's a villa then benneh / cuth might both have decent chances of being wolves just purely off the fact that wolves would hate voting on the vigi with the knowledge that he is one
it still feels wrong to me that cuth would be one though so dunnoooo
imo if he's a villa then benneh / cuth might both have decent chances of being wolves just purely off the fact that wolves would hate voting on the vigi with the knowledge that he is one
it still feels wrong to me that cuth would be one though so dunnoooo
Reading both ends I just get the overwhelming sense that if cuth wanted benneh dead then benneh would be dead. He voted with him on ender after briefly voting for him brought him to 3 with me and winston voting. And danced around voting him day 2 when he was tied with visor for the lead.
No one has to comment yet but like I just don't 'get it' at all.
Also benneh started that awful ender sus and multiple townies now have pointed out they pr read ender atp. I don't look for such things when I am town but I think both visor and 100% dya said as much so I have no doubt someone like benneh could have noticed that as scum/believed it and went for the kill or at least confirming it with a claim. Cuth helped that pressure but does it make sense w/w? No idea tbh. Just getting more cuth paranoia out of my system as I think over the game.
No one has to comment yet but like I just don't 'get it' at all.
Also benneh started that awful ender sus and multiple townies now have pointed out they pr read ender atp. I don't look for such things when I am town but I think both visor and 100% dya said as much so I have no doubt someone like benneh could have noticed that as scum/believed it and went for the kill or at least confirming it with a claim. Cuth helped that pressure but does it make sense w/w? No idea tbh. Just getting more cuth paranoia out of my system as I think over the game.
between achro's paranoia and insomnia's solving intent, i feel like cuth is slipping down into my bottom three right now
achro i actually think you bring up valid points about cuth. i was thinking his vote was clearing but looking back on how eod played out cuth's dancing around me then voting w/ me is super strange. also him pairing me and SK randomly yesterday felt like a wolf explaining a fake read (i felt this about how he initially paired me with katze too) because he cited me not ever pushing SK until he was consensus wolf, which is just demonstrably untrue
you're wrong in totality because i'm a villager, but i think what you're pointing out is more indicative that cuth can be with sk since his play fits in the mold insomnia is describing about a wolf being scared of being on the wagon of a PR. if SK is a wolf w/ cuth he probably felt the need to start bussing at EOD since the only real wagons yesterday were visor/insomnia/SK/me
i was never going over, visor had PR claim so wolves may have felt he wasnt dying. insomnia had a chance to go over and cuth voted him at some point but then chose to vote SK with ... me and insomnia, two people cuth was wolf reading
like the more you unfold it cuth's worldview last eod makes no sense. does/did he think the team is me/insom/sk?
@cuthilius
you're wrong in totality because i'm a villager, but i think what you're pointing out is more indicative that cuth can be with sk since his play fits in the mold insomnia is describing about a wolf being scared of being on the wagon of a PR. if SK is a wolf w/ cuth he probably felt the need to start bussing at EOD since the only real wagons yesterday were visor/insomnia/SK/me
i was never going over, visor had PR claim so wolves may have felt he wasnt dying. insomnia had a chance to go over and cuth voted him at some point but then chose to vote SK with ... me and insomnia, two people cuth was wolf reading
like the more you unfold it cuth's worldview last eod makes no sense. does/did he think the team is me/insom/sk?
@cuthilius
like if he thinks thats the team, fair enough i guess? lol
but i dont' recall any kind of progression on insomnia or silverkeith (aside from him pairing me to silverkeith yesterday)
and im biased but i'm a constant pairing for him with his other pet wolf reads but everything was conditional on the other being a wolf and not a fleshed out read
why can't it be cuth/sk/x with x possibly being katze/winston
but i dont' recall any kind of progression on insomnia or silverkeith (aside from him pairing me to silverkeith yesterday)
and im biased but i'm a constant pairing for him with his other pet wolf reads but everything was conditional on the other being a wolf and not a fleshed out read
why can't it be cuth/sk/x with x possibly being katze/winston
also i will acknowledge that cuth doesn't necessarily need to have a world view of The Exact 3 Wolves while he's doing stuff on days 1 2 and 3 and all and its best to just focus and find a wolf before worrying about worlds, but my point stands
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
also i will acknowledge that cuth doesn't necessarily need to have a world view of The Exact 3 Wolves while he's doing stuff on days 1 2 and 3 and all and its best to just focus and find a wolf before worrying about worlds, but my point stands
clearly worldviews were on his mind since he was pairing me with others so actually i rescind this thoughtalso i will acknowledge that cuth doesn't necessarily need to have a world view of The Exact 3 Wolves while he's doing stuff on days 1 2 and 3 and all and its best to just focus and find a wolf before worrying about worlds, but my point stands
cuth ur outed, how do you plea
Sorry for another movie script, insomnia. It was a genuine thought that I was going to struggle with 50 posts and while I am glad others like dya find 50 posts ‘easy’ to solve within I am not used to being capped at all, and this is by far the most restriction I have ever had in like…. 20 years playing mafia, so I apologize to town for this skill issue. Like, legitimately, I figured I would suck I am just doing my best lol
I would like Benneh to vote first today as the person in the most people’s POEs, or if there is wide spread boos to that I don’t mind voting first tbh because being wrong has been the least of my problems this game lol.
@Winston Hughes - If you dont mind humoring me for a moment, let’s operate in a world for a brief time where Benneh is flipped wolf and Katze is killed tonight as town. What would your thoughts for the final 2 partners be in that world? You’ve been on Katze since day 1, much like Taffy was on me day 1, and I think it would do the game good for you to put that read away for a little bit and explore town katze worlds.If katze is a PR they may die tonight after all, so its good to get started since we really don’t want to be voting Katze today anyway. Live in that world for a bit and lmk what you think, or if you can think of a team without katze AND benneh I guess, but those are your top two suspects so probably not. Thank you! We agree on a lot so interested to hear your thoughts.
Some cuth/katze/sk/general thoughts
EOD1 thoughts broken down… a lot. This is the vast majority of this post. I encourage people to read through it and tell me when and where they disagree with my points on things if they do. I come out with a team at the end of it or at least two people I feel confident are not wolves ATP, which is a great start if I am right. But this is a long section, so buckle up.
So, let's talk about my CURRENT solve, and the steps I am going be taking to see if the rest of the thread confirms it or debunks it.
My conclusion based off of both EODs is that Cuth's EOD voting agenda shielded Insomnia day 1 contrary to their world view as stated, and then did the same thing with Benneh day 2. I am going to look at more things but as of THIS moment if looks like to me Cuth is a savvy wolf who spun good yarns with their words but in actuality always at the end of the day made sure Benneh and Insomnia were not in any danger of dying, despite a lot of world view perspective (and me offering to murder benneh over their top town read day 2, visor). It's very contradictory, and directly implicates Benneh and Insomnia. Now, either one of these could be misdirection of course but I also notice it is LYLO and although lots of words are thrown about these 3 started today pushing the same agenda.
"Katze is wolfy AF, but SK I mean SK is what it is, right?" is the sense I got from benneh. Pretending to care about katze first, probably to make Winston happy in their Katze tunnel, and if Winston murdered Katze then all the better no mess no fuss, but if there was push back on Katze no problem, we've got SK.
Insomnia - "SK is like, lock scum." Cool, straight forward, simple.
Cuth - "Benneh... god I want you so dead! Like... grrr... but I'll always kill SK before you in lylo :)"
As opposed to Winston, who feels a lot like Taffy did this game where they got a tunnel early and if I was wolf katze would have said 'fuck it', killed winston 100%, and just moved on with life tbh. I also think Katze has posted very well this game and think taffy might be overestimating their wolf range a bit in paranoia (or I am wrong)
But SK... just had nothing but good takes that added up and felt like there was no agenda EOD1 lol. Just, all good takes and asking the right questions to people who now need to be his wolf buddies and I just aint seeing it. Which is a bit of Winston's world view too, which also makes me trust winston is maybe just tunneled on katze a bit.
I still have a lot of things to look over, including sitting down and continuing to read the thread, but based off EOD voting and LYLO Agenda if you squint these 3 have a lot of equity together.
Sorry for the huge post, I told you I would struggle with 50 posts a day. A legitimate skill issue.
I would like Benneh to vote first today as the person in the most people’s POEs, or if there is wide spread boos to that I don’t mind voting first tbh because being wrong has been the least of my problems this game lol.
@Winston Hughes - If you dont mind humoring me for a moment, let’s operate in a world for a brief time where Benneh is flipped wolf and Katze is killed tonight as town. What would your thoughts for the final 2 partners be in that world? You’ve been on Katze since day 1, much like Taffy was on me day 1, and I think it would do the game good for you to put that read away for a little bit and explore town katze worlds.If katze is a PR they may die tonight after all, so its good to get started since we really don’t want to be voting Katze today anyway. Live in that world for a bit and lmk what you think, or if you can think of a team without katze AND benneh I guess, but those are your top two suspects so probably not. Thank you! We agree on a lot so interested to hear your thoughts.
Some cuth/katze/sk/general thoughts
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
EOD1 thoughts broken down… a lot. This is the vast majority of this post. I encourage people to read through it and tell me when and where they disagree with my points on things if they do. I come out with a team at the end of it or at least two people I feel confident are not wolves ATP, which is a great start if I am right. But this is a long section, so buckle up.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
So, let's talk about my CURRENT solve, and the steps I am going be taking to see if the rest of the thread confirms it or debunks it.
My conclusion based off of both EODs is that Cuth's EOD voting agenda shielded Insomnia day 1 contrary to their world view as stated, and then did the same thing with Benneh day 2. I am going to look at more things but as of THIS moment if looks like to me Cuth is a savvy wolf who spun good yarns with their words but in actuality always at the end of the day made sure Benneh and Insomnia were not in any danger of dying, despite a lot of world view perspective (and me offering to murder benneh over their top town read day 2, visor). It's very contradictory, and directly implicates Benneh and Insomnia. Now, either one of these could be misdirection of course but I also notice it is LYLO and although lots of words are thrown about these 3 started today pushing the same agenda.
"Katze is wolfy AF, but SK I mean SK is what it is, right?" is the sense I got from benneh. Pretending to care about katze first, probably to make Winston happy in their Katze tunnel, and if Winston murdered Katze then all the better no mess no fuss, but if there was push back on Katze no problem, we've got SK.
Insomnia - "SK is like, lock scum." Cool, straight forward, simple.
Cuth - "Benneh... god I want you so dead! Like... grrr... but I'll always kill SK before you in lylo :)"
As opposed to Winston, who feels a lot like Taffy did this game where they got a tunnel early and if I was wolf katze would have said 'fuck it', killed winston 100%, and just moved on with life tbh. I also think Katze has posted very well this game and think taffy might be overestimating their wolf range a bit in paranoia (or I am wrong)
But SK... just had nothing but good takes that added up and felt like there was no agenda EOD1 lol. Just, all good takes and asking the right questions to people who now need to be his wolf buddies and I just aint seeing it. Which is a bit of Winston's world view too, which also makes me trust winston is maybe just tunneled on katze a bit.
I still have a lot of things to look over, including sitting down and continuing to read the thread, but based off EOD voting and LYLO Agenda if you squint these 3 have a lot of equity together.
Sorry for the huge post, I told you I would struggle with 50 posts a day. A legitimate skill issue.
Originally Posted by insomnia:
ah right, i guess i was taking cuth as a villager in my mind since he's one of my 2 clears
nice post if w/w m'lordah right, i guess i was taking cuth as a villager in my mind since he's one of my 2 clears
also what did you want me to respond to i just got out of bed and am staring down a buncha walls
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katze have you sorted out why dya died yet
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
katze have you sorted out why dya died yet
i still think it makes the wolf equity of at least one of achro/cuth go up quite a bit but im not overthinking it as much todaykatze have you sorted out why dya died yet
have you sorted out your wolf role pm yet
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Originally Posted by katze:
i still think it makes the wolf equity of at least one of achro/cuth go up quite a bit but im not overthinking it as much today
have you sorted out your wolf role pm yet
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yea, it makes the wolf equity of everyone else go down cause i have no partners i'm just a serial killeri still think it makes the wolf equity of at least one of achro/cuth go up quite a bit but im not overthinking it as much today
have you sorted out your wolf role pm yet
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uh, ok. its pretty obvios to me dya died because they wanted sk dead pretty badly and would have probly voted him today.
unless sk is v then lol
you claim to be a serial killer, but then ponder whether or not SK can be V
curious!
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curious!
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Originally Posted by katze:
you claim to be a serial killer, but then ponder whether or not SK can be V
curious!
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fbi come get this postyou claim to be a serial killer, but then ponder whether or not SK can be V
curious!
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
yea, it makes the wolf equity of everyone else go down cause i have no partners i'm just a serial killer
uh, ok. its pretty obvios to me dya died because they wanted sk dead pretty badly and would have probly voted him today.
unless sk is v then lol
Cuth wanted him dead. Insomnia wanted him dead. You wanted him dead.yea, it makes the wolf equity of everyone else go down cause i have no partners i'm just a serial killer
uh, ok. its pretty obvios to me dya died because they wanted sk dead pretty badly and would have probly voted him today.
unless sk is v then lol
Why dya? That's not a difference check. It's poor, flawed reasoning.
I have a guess as to why dya tbh
It was the only non-wolf on the wagon for you to push this SK is wolf narrative with.
Thoughts?
Opinions?
Originally Posted by Achro:
Cuth wanted him dead. Insomnia wanted him dead. You wanted him dead.
Why dya? That's not a difference check. It's poor, flawed reasoning.
I have a guess as to why dya tbh
It was the only non-wolf on the wagon for you to push this SK is wolf narrative with.
Thoughts?
Opinions?
my thoughts are you are a pretty bad villager despite your amazing record this yearCuth wanted him dead. Insomnia wanted him dead. You wanted him dead.
Why dya? That's not a difference check. It's poor, flawed reasoning.
I have a guess as to why dya tbh
It was the only non-wolf on the wagon for you to push this SK is wolf narrative with.
Thoughts?
Opinions?
I woke up but won't be around until a couple of hours.
Skimmed what was said. I think I should be the one to vote. I am intending to vote one of my pushers (insom/benneh/cuth).
Thoughts?
Skimmed what was said. I think I should be the one to vote. I am intending to vote one of my pushers (insom/benneh/cuth).
Thoughts?
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