13er summer game thread

[Winston Hughes]

i've not played with taffy at all

but i did scum in a game taffy hosted

and we talked a lot while i did so

taffy's iso here is all very controlled and meticulous

posting the right things at the right times

so few scumhooks

[Visor]

I mean taffy has had few jabs in general, I would agree generally to your thoughts there

[Cuthillius]

@Achro at the start of the game you took dya off the list because you felt good about being able to read them

could you please talk about your progression on dya in some detail over the course of this game? because what you said in the readslist earlier today when i went to look seemed less nuanced than i'd expect given the above

[Achro]

@Achro at the start of the game you took dya off the list because you felt good about being able to read them

could you please talk about your progression on dya in some detail over the course of this game? because what you said in the readslist earlier today when i went to look seemed less nuanced than i'd expect given the above

Hmm, it's actually the opposite for me usually. My most accurate reads are usually not nuanced because I have certain things I can go to and go 'ah yeah, alright, this checks out.'

For Dya it's a tone read of if she is investing in the things she should be. Does she care about the right things. Yesterday I feel like she did that. She wanted something different out of the thread, same as me. I believe this makes her town because I think the wolves were biding their time day 1 to then kill ladd night 1 and to push agendas today that Ladd would have stopped.

Like

idk

Maybe the guy who he had as 'obvious villager' suddenly being suspected the night after his death.

What a coincidence.

[Cuthillius]

idk i'm starting to think more and more ladd had kinda bad reads actually

more on this shortly

[Cuthillius]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

[Visor]

Villagery post Mlord

I like it

[katze]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

i do agree that benneh/i have a lot of partner equity

i also think he's just been kinda villagery and i think people dumpstering on him the minute he left the thread for a little is pretty lol

but if v he'll be obvious d2 at the latest and i'm seeing a lot of markers that i really like so far

i really enjoy villaging with him and we have pretty good synergy

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i dont really know how to reply to this post

i think its villagery and wrong but like; i believe you believe it and benneh could be a wolf (and if he is a wolf the connection between me and him makes sense for the reasons you outlined)

i dont rly think he is but i am in support of holding him to the fire and forcing him to be more villagery, i think ive seen enough from him personally but my current view of the game feels a bit wrong somewhere so... im happy letting you cook as long as its him ur cooking and not me and you dont force him over if hes villagery (i think he was villagery d1 still but im not gonna pretend he was an INNOCENT CHILD)

(not here, just saw that and had to post the sf2 post before going afk)

[Achro]

I thought visor and benneh were unpaired when I was looking through visor's iso fwiw.

[nebjiamn]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?

point by point:

-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage

in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could

-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic

this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y

and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1

-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone

-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?

-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana

anyway

i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing

gross post tbh

[katze]

need to think on this though

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okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?

point by point:

-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage

in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could

-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic

this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y

and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1

-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone

-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?

-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana

anyway

i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing

gross post tbh

[nebjiamn]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?

point by point:

-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage

in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could

-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic

this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y

and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1

-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone

-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?

-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana

anyway

i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing

gross post tbh

i keep coming back to this posting and i think its the biggest obv indicator i'm just not with cuth

achro will try to spin that as me being a wolf because cuth didn't vote me but the truth is really simple and its that cuth knew he couldn't vote me cause when i flip v he just dies instantly after sk (funny cause his post got him villa read by others but sent him on my shitlist)

like, this just isn't how i treat partners and this is just cuth flat out trying to destroy my villa cred (which was high at the time) in order to conditionally attach me to katze (someone of middling tier at the time) but everything he built was reliant on katze being w

he then tried to say my response was the one thing that made him go back to v reading me but thats just ... no way would he be 'convinced' from my response if we were w/w since he'd want to play it up. he just saw how pure and correct my post was and wanted to no longer have to deal with me

hence him being scared

dw cuth its ok to be scared of me tbh

[Totally not Taffy]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.

Current tally


SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): insom, Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy

I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!

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I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.

[insomnia]

maybe the reason i feel so lost in finding wolfy posts / posters is cuz im clearing taffy ~on part of making wolfy posts

gonna give her like a few more days in spite of this tho cuz im a bimbo

[nebjiamn]

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.




I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!

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I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.

you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

[nebjiamn]

i should prob sleep since i finally made it thru the work day instead of shitposting rn but that cuth post kinda annoyed me and even moreso since he was here when i replied and didn't respond to my points which i think are reasonable lol

ya im near out of posts anyway so im out but someonf roce cuth to respond to me pls @cuthelius ill be back later tonight when i have energy

[Cuthillius]

confession time when i read dya saying that games are solvable within 50 posts or less i did assume they meant 50 total posts not posts per person

and i was like wow that's a whole nother level of confidence

and i literally didn't connect the dots until this morning

[Winston Hughes]

if one of these names were to flip v right now which would change your pov on the game overall the most and why?

visor

knowing his reads were true would change my perspective more than for the other two, mainly because i know him better, but also because i think he knows the other people better

[Visor]

Breaux I wouldn't trust my reads with a ten foot pole

(Think I have 7-8 posts left so I might save them for tonight unless I see a quality meme to post lol to)

[Cuthillius]

i'm backreading and i think achro is just v unless, like, wolves are collectively in a Grumpy Mood

just a lot of interactions that feel unaligned?