13er summer game thread

[katze]

humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next

if insomnia is a villager id declare myself lock clear for not trying to kill insom over cape at eod

way better value mislunch iyam

cant win best wolf team if you win, that's just too many accolades
@katze is that the game the wolves were obvious and we swept?

idk i don't really remember much of that game and how i was reading you there but preseumably that had a part in it unless im thinking of the wrong game

yeah but at that point of the game i was being snowed by marmot and logic was posting well enough

so its not like i had a perfect poe, my poe wasnt great, i just had you as a very strong townread

also SK id be kinda willing to realtime w you but idk i might try to preserve posts instead? ill vaguely watch and see what happenz

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[Totally not Taffy]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.

Current tally


SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): insom, Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy

I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!

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I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.

[insomnia]

maybe the reason i feel so lost in finding wolfy posts / posters is cuz im clearing taffy ~on part of making wolfy posts

gonna give her like a few more days in spite of this tho cuz im a bimbo

[insomnia]

forget i made the post

still treating her as my top villa after ender but if the poe i have turns to be shit, then it becomes a problem

[katze]

maybe the reason i feel so lost in finding wolfy posts / posters is cuz im clearing taffy ~on part of making wolfy posts

gonna give her like a few more days in spite of this tho cuz im a bimbo

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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[insomnia]

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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im still rocking with her being my top villa, but if i were to be wrong on her the game would make more sense and be much easier fmpov

[nebjiamn]

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.




I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!

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I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.

you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

[nebjiamn]

i should prob sleep since i finally made it thru the work day instead of shitposting rn but that cuth post kinda annoyed me and even moreso since he was here when i replied and didn't respond to my points which i think are reasonable lol

ya im near out of posts anyway so im out but someonf roce cuth to respond to me pls @cuthelius ill be back later tonight when i have energy

[katze]

i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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[Cuthillius]

please don't roce me

I'm here I'll respond later just not on phone

[SilverKeith]

I've read Katze's 893 and it feels like wolf work. Admittedly I don't think I can remember v!katze doing busywork, but something about it feels off in a way I cannot quite put into words but I'll try anyway and fail at it.

I'm guessing katze/achro are not both w/w or at least I'm casually betting on it. Katze treatment of Achro sometimes feels very serious!katze like (not ai) but i've felt like they bite on things that might count as problematics or inconsistent while failing to realize they are absoultely achro being achro which is something I think they should've accounted for. I might be overstating how familiar I'm with Achro but bear with me and pretend we've been buddies 4 life. I think I've seen someone else do this tho idk who (benneh?cuth?) which felt like a casual minimizer (?) of achro's read which I didn't like and I kinda think it's wolfy if Achro is town which I kinda think he is aorn.

The random call of benneh being a villager is actually really townie because it's just a very very small thing and kinda random an most of the times when you're a wolf doing this kind of work you don't sorta do these kind of stop points to point that kind of shit out, most of the stuff on your wall has a motive behind it. Not sure if stopping to give Benneh townpoints fits with that agenda tho it might be and I've just not realized.

The Visor part is a bit w/e and I can't currently comment on it bc I don't have a grasp on visor this game, which prolly is a problem in itself and wolf!indicative towards visor.

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING

I also feel like Katze bs's about my towngame. I do not think of myself of a questions guy while I'm town. I was that maybe over 5 years ago but I barely question shit behinds ppl motives because I am not a proactive player.

The dya bit is ok. The insom bit feels like wolf rambling (I'd know)

Also re:dya comment on me showing up for eod, it's mostly related to which times I'm able to play? Me showing up at eod's is kind of a meme where I got wolfread on my last game on homesite for not doing so. I've begun doing it because it maximizes the fun out of games because I porpusely miss this part where I just talk and I get to the part where ppl get really AI real quick.

I don't like Katze read on me because if feels like it's based on some missconstruction of wtf sk's towngame is supposed to be like which just isn't true. Katze when you think town!sk what game do you think? Because my last towngames in english are like one in the org where I got misslunched and specc inv last year where everyone thought my D1 sucked ass even tho I goated kindof.

[katze]

I've read Katze's 893 and it feels like wolf work. Admittedly I don't think I can remember v!katze doing busywork, but something about it feels off in a way I cannot quite put into words but I'll try anyway and fail at it.

I'm guessing katze/achro are not both w/w or at least I'm casually betting on it. Katze treatment of Achro sometimes feels very serious!katze like (not ai) but i've felt like they bite on things that might count as problematics or inconsistent while failing to realize they are absoultely achro being achro which is something I think they should've accounted for. I might be overstating how familiar I'm with Achro but bear with me and pretend we've been buddies 4 life. I think I've seen someone else do this tho idk who (benneh?cuth?) which felt like a casual minimizer (?) of achro's read which I didn't like and I kinda think it's wolfy if Achro is town which I kinda think he is aorn.

The random call of benneh being a villager is actually really townie because it's just a very very small thing and kinda random an most of the times when you're a wolf doing this kind of work you don't sorta do these kind of stop points to point that kind of shit out, most of the stuff on your wall has a motive behind it. Not sure if stopping to give Benneh townpoints fits with that agenda tho it might be and I've just not realized.

The Visor part is a bit w/e and I can't currently comment on it bc I don't have a grasp on visor this game, which prolly is a problem in itself and wolf!indicative towards visor.



I also feel like Katze bs's about my towngame. I do not think of myself of a questions guy while I'm town. I was that maybe over 5 years ago but I barely question shit behinds ppl motives because I am not a proactive player.

The dya bit is ok. The insom bit feels like wolf rambling (I'd know)

Also re:dya comment on me showing up for eod, it's mostly related to which times I'm able to play? Me showing up at eod's is kind of a meme where I got wolfread on my last game on homesite for not doing so. I've begun doing it because it maximizes the fun out of games because I porpusely miss this part where I just talk and I get to the part where ppl get really AI real quick.

I don't like Katze read on me because if feels like it's based on some missconstruction of wtf sk's towngame is supposed to be like which just isn't true. Katze when you think town!sk what game do you think? Because my last towngames in english are like one in the org where I got misslunched and specc inv last year where everyone thought my D1 sucked ass even tho I goated kindof.

the towngame in mind i was thinking of was the EM game i hosted, i remembered you having some banger callouts on D1 and i remember you having some kinda middling catchup walls in that 21er a while back

i think i wrote that with the SCI game in mind but not strongly because i mostly remember your lategame contributions that game

also i can definitely find you examples of me going on dumb rambles like that as town

also cuth what is a roce and why should i roce u

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[SilverKeith]

My shit tier read on Achro is that he's V because he wouldn't catch himself saying stuff like "yeah I owned SK that time he wolfed in champs" and then proceed to missread me here at the start of the game.

Like, wolf achro's image of what town achro would do is obv read me correctly as a villager even if i'm just w/e'ing a wallpost. His missread of me is genuine imo. Or he faked it absurdly well but i've seen achro be deadass wrong and I've thought to myself "he can't fake being this wrong" and I was right.

[nebjiamn]

i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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the game's maybe harder than i thought broseph and i'm trying to sort it out in my head

to steal your words ytou were not IC levels of clear at any point and my POE has taken a big hit so i'm trying to discern whether or not you are someone i let myself clear too easily and the way you've played around me and not had thoughts feels like u could be treating me as a speedbump

sorrynotsorry if you're v here and you think i'm being unfair cause i found you easily in another game but that's a diff game from a time i can barely remember and we're different people and the branches of the multiverse that hve led us to this moment don't connect to my brain cells that are the filing cabinet of my memory that relieve me of paranoia and assurance and al;ksjdfakjfelawkjfae;wfjawoefjawefa

it was fine as a meme til it wasn't because you're closer to my poe now and i'm also a little annoyed that it took cuth coming up with a dumb post that is mostly bs related to how you've treated me to WOLF REA DME FOR THAT to finally do what i sorta saked you to do earlier (maybe i didn't actually ask i dont remember) which is expand on your read and show me why you have been v reading me

[SilverKeith]

the towngame in mind i was thinking of was the EM game i hosted, i remembered you having some banger callouts on D1 and i remember you having some kinda middling catchup walls in that 21er a while back

i think i wrote that with the SCI game in mind but not strongly because i mostly remember your lategame contributions that game

also i can definitely find you examples of me going on dumb rambles like that as town

also cuth what is a roce and why should i roce u

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Ah I don't remember the early game of that EM game at all. I remember my midgame was good and we lunched a townie wrong D1. But yeah this is most likely cause I had a better grasp of that game just by virtue of being more active/ having more free time. Idk if the level of my thoughts is indicative of my alignment because I can fake that as a wolf.

I'm sure you can find examples of the rambling me saying I don't remember them is a disclaimer of "this might be wrong".

[SilverKeith]

can sk/insomnia be w/w?

cuth what were you cooking here

[nebjiamn]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

[Achro]

My shit tier read on Achro is that he's V because he wouldn't catch himself saying stuff like "yeah I owned SK that time he wolfed in champs" and then proceed to missread me here at the start of the game.

Like, wolf achro's image of what town achro would do is obv read me correctly as a villager even if i'm just w/e'ing a wallpost. His missread of me is genuine imo. Or he faked it absurdly well but i've seen achro be deadass wrong and I've thought to myself "he can't fake being this wrong" and I was right.

Oh yeah that's a pretty towny thought I think. This isn't scum SK speak, at least from what I recall.

sup buddy, I hope I am not as SKILL ISSUE'D as draft mafia

This is post 48, so anyway the potential scum teams with me are wild, jesus what do you guys think I do with wolf partners, torture them? Okay maybe a little.

Anyway TOWN LIST TIME

VERY CONFIDENT HAHAHA I HAVE META ON SOME OF YOU
Ender
Dya
Winston (Town Poisoner, apparently, alright)
Taffy (lowering because I don't know them, but I am still pretty fucking sure that vote on me was pure)
SK
Cuth (Taking Ender's word on this one, if he is wrong it is his skill issue not mine)
Katze (This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)


Lock Wolf
Visor

He... literally went on a multiple post rant about how I didn't do enough at eod to save cape when I did everything to save cape and he didn't care that Insomnia did literally nothing in real time. If he is town, that is a hopeless skill issue on his part and I am never finding him lmao.

Oh wait there's only two other players
Insomnia
Benneh

Hm.

I didn't think Benneh was very partnered with Visor tbh, quite the opposite in fact. I think I have 2/3 of the wolves here though or perhaps I am still skill issue'd somewhere.

I probably am tbh

but if I am on Visor then I am just going to sulk in a corner tbh.

This is post 48 and I am not at all interested in having thread control, although I have 3 posts left because I had to waste one clearing multi quote and I am RECLAIMING MY TIME.

I am in better spirits now. I ate, and now I am just having fun with this game even though my mafia IQ tells me town loses like 90% of the time, I just don't know if town is the problem or I am the problem xd.

[Totally not Taffy]

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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He's reminding me of the way he played in a game I hosted on GitP ~a year ago? Sort of subdued, posting commentary, minimalistic reads. He was town that game. But the one Ender referenced where they wolfed together also looked a lot like this, as did FAM2, and I did not like his read on me yesterday. Since I have a bad habit of misyeeting Visor, I'd prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt until later in the game.

[SilverKeith]

I'm not sure if I actively think visor is a wolf after reading him a bit and I'm bothered bc I think we should realtime but idk if that's possible.

I think he's a bit lost this game like me just due to him being chill, I feel like we might have a similar spot and we voting each other and going for each other's head if we're both V is absolutely gamelosing but idk who are the wolves doing that or pushing that scenario.

would also appreciate thoughts on cuth/taffy/sk too

kind of my blind spots

One one hand I like that he recognizes that I'm a blindspot to him bc I feel similar towards him, but when I read this I seem to think "I've already decided what will I do/how I'll treat everyone else in the game" Like, he has that precooked frozen pizza you know which one.

[insomnia]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

[insomnia]

Vote: visor

sry bronana

[Totally not Taffy]

you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

This is the readslist I was talking about, it was earlier in the day:

And achro is prob one as well (villager i mean)

V
Ladd
Katze
Achro
Cuth
Taffy (almost no experience with them tho)
Visor

Insomnia/benneh both feel like i will eventually villa read them, just not enuf stuff for now

Dont care for cape last post. Need more for ender

Dya i have a lean on but wanna see a bit more before commiting which is why i have kinda avoided talking about them

I remember it better than his later reads bc I thought at the time that it had too many townreads given that Winston/SK had not or barely posted at the time and it's very unlikely two wolves would be late like that. So that leaves a very tiny PoE even if Cape were scum.

I need to go to bed, see you all tomorrow.

[katze]

the game's maybe harder than i thought broseph and i'm trying to sort it out in my head

to steal your words ytou were not IC levels of clear at any point and my POE has taken a big hit so i'm trying to discern whether or not you are someone i let myself clear too easily and the way you've played around me and not had thoughts feels like u could be treating me as a speedbump

sorrynotsorry if you're v here and you think i'm being unfair cause i found you easily in another game but that's a diff game from a time i can barely remember and we're different people and the branches of the multiverse that hve led us to this moment don't connect to my brain cells that are the filing cabinet of my memory that relieve me of paranoia and assurance and al;ksjdfakjfelawkjfae;wfjawoefjawefa

it was fine as a meme til it wasn't because you're closer to my poe now and i'm also a little annoyed that it took cuth coming up with a dumb post that is mostly bs related to how you've treated me to WOLF REA DME FOR THAT to finally do what i sorta saked you to do earlier (maybe i didn't actually ask i dont remember) which is expand on your read and show me why you have been v reading me

i mean you never really found me easily in that game? you totally let me get stuck into the PoE when anyone doubted me because you were scared of misreading me lol. actually i dont even know if u townread me d1 that game i just know u didnt do much d2 when i was getting bullied by visor

and i did try to explain it when you asked d1! i quoted it a bit ago did u not see it, ladd called the post more convoluted than it needed to be and i remember that because i thought it was funny and also lolme

i mean hell i dont even think ur being unfair this game i... never accused you of that? i just questioned you lol

but alrighty, im letting you fight for yourself today, ur free to think this makes me a wolf treating u like a speedbump... im just getting unsure myself and don't want to stubbornly defend a wolf. or anyone. i agree this games feeling harder today lol fuck me i miss lsat night when i had confidence

i still dont get why u even townread me in the first place tho, i explained mine on u but u never explained urs back. grr

like u called me wolfy early on (probably partially a meme cuz u called me polarized but definitely somewhat real) and then said i had improved but never why or even what your initial problems were and then you later agreed with ladd townreading me strongly but i dont remember anything between B and C there

shrug

ill shut up now

Ah I don't remember the early game of that EM game at all. I remember my midgame was good and we lunched a townie wrong D1. But yeah this is most likely cause I had a better grasp of that game just by virtue of being more active/ having more free time. Idk if the level of my thoughts is indicative of my alignment because I can fake that as a wolf.

I'm sure you can find examples of the rambling me saying I don't remember them is a disclaimer of "this might be wrong".

i remember u were like one of the only ppl who was calling spf out on her shit earlygame and i think also lucy but idr, but yeah fair enough on the rambling thing i don't think i could find an example of me going "fuck it im just gonna reread the entire game" but also day 1 was only 900ish posts and usually day 1s i play in are a couple thousand so it didnt feel like a huge mountain to climb

(This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)

smh my head

i am. thinking about it. SK posts kinda villagery i agree. not sure if im willing to pull trigger yet. i still am wary that you two are wolves together tho. i don't think you can fault me for that smh!

and my poe if i ignore you two isnt THAT different from yours so smh my head^2

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[Achro]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

I actually said earlier if you look on my iso I liked his EOD when I read it over.

[SilverKeith]

okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

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i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

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dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

Which leads me to this post because saying "these are my blindspots" implies he has some sort of level of confidence in the rest of his reads but then you get back to his reads and those are like.

- katze = katze
- insom kinda light liked
- benneh seems fine

which isn't the type of confidence he should have on a read that's supposedly not a blind spot. Like, any of katze/insom/benneh might be wolfing. I think he has meat on his achro read regardless of how much I agree with it but his townreads are a bit "w/e this guy's town".

I know this posts sounds kinda nitpicky and I'm not trying to be I just want to point out my Issue. At the same time if I de-attach this post from the other one I think this is kinda town visor in the sense that wolf visor is normally more objective oriented in his reads, and while his achro read might fall in that spectrum, the rest of his reads have like a more genuine "I guess" vibe to it.

[insomnia]

you liked it cuz you think im a wolf, or you liked it cuz he had villagery thoughts or something?

[SilverKeith]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

I am very cute I tend to do that to people

[SilverKeith]

for beter or worse i pretty much agree with you on insom fwiw

dont feel like i have a great reason to v read him but i just ... don't wolf read him either lol

I'm not sure this tracks but this is suggesting going to insom after a w!sk flip. Insom being the player I wanted to lunch last eod.

I might be biased on this one but I think thinking me and Insom are paired makes no sense but this is the second time I've seen it mentioned.

Idk how to aproach benneh's push on me bc I'm not sure how to actually read Benneh. I think my metric on him at mashes/turbo is that he eventually makes a post I really like and decide he's town and I'm right most of the times (which if we extrapolate to data is prolly rand but welp). Most of the times the post is him sorta making a good post on a wolf which I now think are bad posts aimed at me, a villager.

[Achro]

you liked it cuz you think im a wolf, or you liked it cuz he had villagery thoughts or something?

Insomnia, I am wasting posts because you didn't read MY posts man come on lol. You are literally (not literally) killing me here, bronana.

This is a reply to insomnia about 20 minutes before eod. For the record by this point I believe I had gone to make dinner so my only post after this was the very end. So here he says insomnia's take on cape's wolfiness is fair.





The multi quote on this site sucks. Anyway Visor is lock scum first off @katze

vote: visor

Anyway earlier Visor voted me because I did nothing to stop the cape kill ans he expected me to do more. Cape was an obvious villager at eod. He expected me to see that. but here he told insomnia that his take was fair. Visor has an agenda, isn't actually interested in solving, is a proven liar because he had a chance above to push back but chose not to, and either has a much higher opinion of my town game than insomnia's and if so can you please explain that to insomnia I am sure he will be insulted, or this is just an agenda push from a wolf.

I changed my mind sk isn't with insomnia and is probably town based on how he was fighting hard to stop the Cape kill but was also OK with the flip generally (where I was at too)

Insomnia is probably scum. Reinforced the gamestate of 'yeah like ladd said I think cape is wolfy' and then said if there's a tough wolf it's katze' so from your pov katze he did nothing but push town all day 1 and in a way that fits my model of the team. I will have to go back and check again but the conversation around cape eod feels like a partner wanting to say something to a partner but I might be biased since I thought insomnia was scum. But he for sure hard wolf sided day 1 and planned to do so in future days if katze is town so keep in mind.

Okay that's one wolf.

I think SK and I had a similar mindmeld on what we wanted out of the day and what we ended up getting in terms of our approach to EOD and our willingness to concede that Cape was at the end a mediocre but acceptable infochop.

SK called it that and was like 'lettuce not info chop' when in my mind the thread was cultivated around just shoving Cape into a blender day 1. I think this for two reasons.

1) Ladd, the person who was kind of assigned as the 'King of Cape suss', is both town and dead meaning imo wolves played around him day 1 and were careful with him and then shoved him off a bridge before he could think over how the day went. It also makes me strongly believe there are 0-1 wolves on Cape directly, with atp I think Insomnia being the only one because I don't think Insomnia/Katze are paired and if Katze was a wolf at EOD I am not sure they actually care all that much about appearances if it mans offing town insomnia instead of letting the easy cape kill go through. On top of my meta of them really not wanting to take the path of most resistance in a chill game by prodding me. It makes MUCH more sense of a town katze who I snowed in such an epic fashion I won 2 awards for it (I had to sneak there in there, wub you Katze best friends FOREVER)

So right now my three most suspicious people are Visor/Insomnia/Benneh but I am not sure if those latter two are actually wolves or I have problems within my clears. If visor is town then um... I don't know what to do ngl lol. Like, my mind just can't wrap around that being a genuine thought because...how? I have seen Visor low post as town before, he is very chill with no thread presence but he isn't bafflingly stupid. That would be beyond the pale of what I have seen from low posting low effort Visor tbh, I am measuring him against himself not some random.

Now in my town pile I have a few people I don't know and I am willing to discuss, but it is hard for me when people keep trying to pair me with people like visor for... no good reason, honestly lol. I enjoy theater, this is true, but I would never let Visor offer such an attack w/w that left him so exposed. I don't know if wolf chat was ever opened of the last game but you can see there that I had vul and I simulate arguments before day start to make sure neither of us would land a critical blow on one another. Anyone who has ever seen my scum game, which is... not too many people other than one time here, should know that my deftness with partner interactions is good enought that I wouldn't let Visor hang himself out to dry repeatedly like he has done here. It's below my skill floor, even in a chill game, as someone who prides himself at being just a big of an asset behind the scenes as a wolf as I am in topic.

Also same thing with Katze, if Katze and I were wolves together that's a win at rand in my opinion, no need for all of this silly fuss and back and forth. You guys are playing way too incohesive and not solving together at a depth required to catch wolf achro, only enough to squint and go 'idk achro seems weird' which is a town tell lmao.

Anyway I like ranting, I am not mad I am just stating things from my pov because it's starting to get kind of silly like none of you know (not literally, some of you do) how to ask deductive questions in order to piece together evidence and string together theories. Are you not doing it because this is supposed to be a chill game? Do I need to chill more? idk I am trying to hunt wolves and I am only getting frustrated when I feel like people are seeing through me and not engaging with me.

But some of you have, and I appreciate that tbh.