13er summer game thread

[Achro]

I did not think about this game once meaningfully in the past 24 hours because my solve got so warped around thinking Visor was red checked.

I had taffy and cuth as town regardless of visor things though, so now cuth.

If you suspect me all I can ask is that you try to ask questions before voting for me, and I will do my best to answer them in in a meaningful way.

I was looking forward to voting sleep to get more time, but guess not.

[Cuthillius]

I did not think about this game once meaningfully in the past 24 hours because my solve got so warped around thinking Visor was red checked.

I had taffy and cuth as town regardless of visor things though, so now cuth.

If you suspect me all I can ask is that you try to ask questions before voting for me, and I will do my best to answer them in in a meaningful way.

I was looking forward to voting sleep to get more time, but guess not.

o/

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also i think you're a villager? probably my top v read tbh

[Achro]

o/

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also i think you're a villager? probably my top v read tbh

o/

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Thanks, regardless of your alignment, for keeping a cool head yesterday and explaining things in a way that made sense even when I was not at my best. I can tell you're a good egg

[insomnia]

what do we think of katze running it down on visor and ignoring the cw, which happened to be SK?

[Cuthillius]

what do we think of katze running it down on visor and ignoring the cw, which happened to be SK?

what do you think about it?

[insomnia]

what do you think about it?

level 0 he doesn't wanna say something on sk to not look bad in case he flips ldo

idk he could and probably will argue he was voting visor in self-preservation, but ignoring SK there is the wolfy part when a big wagon was growing on him and dya / benneh were pushing it

[Cuthillius]

see

i agree with benneh

and i also think benneh is probably a wolf too

[Achro]

Can everyone
@Winston Hughes @nebjiamn @SilverKeith @insomnia @katze

give a summation of their (in game) thoughts of me? If they think I am a wolf, can you please list the 2 most paired partners with me? If you town read me, can you please try to find some posts that made you think at the time I could have a wolf agenda and explain why? It helps me when people directly talk about me when I am feeling lost on reads sometimes, so I would appreciate it whenever you all can.

[Achro]

what do we think of katze running it down on visor and ignoring the cw, which happened to be SK?

Katze did a lot of very good solving yesterday while I read through the thread as it related to going back and forth on Visor.

I also think it is possible that SK/Visor were V/V.

What are your strongest reasons for suspecting SK this game? It's kind of hard to ISO effectively here (for me anyway) so having your thoughts summarized would be nice.

[nebjiamn]

Katze did a lot of very good solving yesterday while I read through the thread as it related to going back and forth on Visor.

I also think it is possible that SK/Visor were V/V.

What are your strongest reasons for suspecting SK this game? It's kind of hard to ISO effectively here (for me anyway) so having your thoughts summarized would be nice.

have you considered that visor could/would have gotten a bit more leeway if he was up against a non-wolf?

like, obviously some amount of villagers still voted him, regardless of SK's alignment, but i feel like if SK didn't have teammates visor might not have tied/gone over there since he had at least something going for him (PR claim) and SK didn't have much

idk i feel like it'd tilt the other way

[Achro]

have you considered that visor could/would have gotten a bit more leeway if he was up against a non-wolf?

like, obviously some amount of villagers still voted him, regardless of SK's alignment, but i feel like if SK didn't have teammates visor might not have tied/gone over there since he had at least something going for him (PR claim) and SK didn't have much

idk i feel like it'd tilt the other way

You think wolf Katze tries to save wolf SK by placing a vote that wouldn't even tie it? Who is the other wolf iyo?

[Cuthillius]

have you considered that visor could/would have gotten a bit more leeway if he was up against a non-wolf?

like, obviously some amount of villagers still voted him, regardless of SK's alignment, but i feel like if SK didn't have teammates visor might not have tied/gone over there since he had at least something going for him (PR claim) and SK didn't have much

idk i feel like it'd tilt the other way

this is a bizarre way of framing it?? i don't think sk's posts have been fantastic either but i don't think his posts have been so terrible that he'd be being run up no contest if there weren't wolves propping him up for ?some reason?

[insomnia]

Katze did a lot of very good solving yesterday while I read through the thread as it related to going back and forth on Visor.

I also think it is possible that SK/Visor were V/V.

What are your strongest reasons for suspecting SK this game? It's kind of hard to ISO effectively here (for me anyway) so having your thoughts summarized would be nice.

lol, my impression of katze's game here was that there was 0 solving / pushing and mostly asking questions that didn't go anywhere but a strong PoE on d2, which feels odd


i don't have a golden reason for sk wolf and i wanna see if he has the view i'd expect someone in his position to have rn

it's not gonna be a grand case cuz most of it is reliant on PoE really, but i'll give him time to see how he solves here before going ballistics

[nebjiamn]

what do we think of katze running it down on visor and ignoring the cw, which happened to be SK?

pretty goddamn wolfy

in retrospect the continued push on visor is like extremely bad given the circumstances and i'm pretty sure it just locks sk into being a wolf

[katze]

what do we think of katze running it down on visor and ignoring the cw, which happened to be SK?

i didnt ignore SK i literally talked to SK during eod and stated i thought his posts were villagery...?

but ok go off i guess

[Cuthillius]

i didnt ignore SK i literally talked to SK during eod and stated i thought his posts were villagery...?

but ok go off i guess

could you please post a current readslist

[katze]

could you please post a current readslist

no lol

[Achro]

I did not think about this game once meaningfully in the past 24 hours because my solve got so warped around thinking Visor was red checked.

I had taffy and cuth as town regardless of visor things though, so now cuth.

If you suspect me all I can ask is that you try to ask questions before voting for me, and I will do my best to answer them in in a meaningful way.

I was looking forward to voting sleep to get more time, but guess not.

o/

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

also i think you're a villager? probably my top v read tbh

Man it was great. I was mentioning how I was shad in pokemash and cuth is you and how I swerved him when he was pocketing me and stuff. It was dramatic.

Anyway katze the simple fact is wolf achro at lylo at least before f3 has no reason to ever turn on cuth there when I was being top tr'd by him and a known town also tr'd him. What was I trying to accomplish here? Solving.

I feel like this is intuitive and straight forward. It requires no hoops. If you had crossed me like you threatened and cuth is town I would have won, katze. I could have crossed you then and there. Winston may be my buddy in your world but cuth was top town reading me. Now maybe that scenario isn't 100% true. Maybe town cuth woukd have found it odd. But I certainly had no reason to then do a massive dump on my top town read.

Anyway moving on but the wolf mentality is just not there at all imo

[Achro]

Man it was great. I was mentioning how I was shad in pokemash and cuth is you and how I swerved him when he was pocketing me and stuff. It was dramatic.

Anyway katze the simple fact is wolf achro at lylo at least before f3 has no reason to ever turn on cuth there when I was being top tr'd by him and a known town also tr'd him. What was I trying to accomplish here? Solving.

I feel like this is intuitive and straight forward. It requires no hoops. If you had crossed me like you threatened and cuth is town I would have won, katze. I could have crossed you then and there. Winston may be my buddy in your world but cuth was top town reading me. Now maybe that scenario isn't 100% true. Maybe town cuth woukd have found it odd. But I certainly had no reason to then do a massive dump on my top town read.

Anyway moving on but the wolf mentality is just not there at all imo

Also insomnia thought I was town and you were bad yesterday

And benneh too

Everyone in the thread but sk thought I was townier than you. I just go after you as a wolf and win my dude lmao. Winston won't understand this but you should if town.

[Achro]

Hell, I just cross you TODAY and win if winston is my partner, or anyone if you are town.

I feel like this is where you vote cuth because if you're town I am... just right?

Cuth said I was still town
Benneh said I was town and asked winston to NOT vote me.
@katze my guy. I have no wolf equity in v you worlds lol. This won't help winston but... I shouldn't need to go on I just realized.

[Achro]

but also I am tired now and I realize somewhere today I posted a breakdown of my thoughts on SK day 3 already and how him trying to cross insomnia before cuth could even respond to me raised, like, a million red flags for SK and got me to change my mind on insomnia.

At no point after SK posted that did I do anything but grill the fuck out of SK compared to Insomnia.

[Achro]

tldr;

Scumread SK to start
start of EOD1 want to nuke SK
SK posts response hitting my weak point, defends multiple town reads of mine (cape, dya, and taffy - reversing earlier stance) gets me to back off due to all of this.

Day 2

Re-evaluate, realize I was probably too soft on SK and vote there again. Ask for Ender's help. Ender votes me. Nothing else happened day 2.

Day 3

I start thinking about the game, I realize cuth has done some things I find shall we say disagreeable at eod. I relate to my own scum game. I think cuth >> benneh >> insomnia in terms of confidence.

SK says he will read the Cuth posts later and says he will cross Insomnia in an hour

My immediate reaction: the fuck you are (pretty much lol)

And from there it was a lot of suspicion, I dug out an old game, and suggested winston to kill SK.

If the team was SK/Me/? insomnia was a pretty terrible target given the 3 way way between benneh/winston/katze tbh. Someone from town would misvote there if 2 of you were town imo. Maybe it's simple for me to say because I know my wolf game, but it also feels incredibly intuitive to say as well.

I think my SK thoughts felt rather rapid but weren't really. I mostly ended up liking SK because I thought he was unpaired from visor iirc.