13er summer game thread

[Cuthillius]

ok so i wanna talk about sk's read evolution on visor

sk talked about visor three times d1, 1) to say he didn't remember anything he'd said which he felt was a slight w lean, 2) to say he didn't want to go there d1, 3) to say that a post about achro was a bit villagery

then we get to d2, where sk votes visor because ladd's legacy reads were ender/sk/visor as top wolves, and i'm spoilering the following progression:

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Ok sure

Vote:Visor

The Visor part is a bit w/e and I can't currently comment on it bc I don't have a grasp on visor this game, which prolly is a problem in itself and wolf!indicative towards visor.

I'm not sure if I actively think visor is a wolf after reading him a bit and I'm bothered bc I think we should realtime but idk if that's possible.

I think he's a bit lost this game like me just due to him being chill, I feel like we might have a similar spot and we voting each other and going for each other's head if we're both V is absolutely gamelosing but idk who are the wolves doing that or pushing that scenario.



One one hand I like that he recognizes that I'm a blindspot to him bc I feel similar towards him, but when I read this I seem to think "I've already decided what will I do/how I'll treat everyone else in the game" Like, he has that precooked frozen pizza you know which one.

Which leads me to this post because saying "these are my blindspots" implies he has some sort of level of confidence in the rest of his reads but then you get back to his reads and those are like.

- katze = katze
- insom kinda light liked
- benneh seems fine

which isn't the type of confidence he should have on a read that's supposedly not a blind spot. Like, any of katze/insom/benneh might be wolfing. I think he has meat on his achro read regardless of how much I agree with it but his townreads are a bit "w/e this guy's town".

I know this posts sounds kinda nitpicky and I'm not trying to be I just want to point out my Issue. At the same time if I de-attach this post from the other one I think this is kinda town visor in the sense that wolf visor is normally more objective oriented in his reads, and while his achro read might fall in that spectrum, the rest of his reads have like a more genuine "I guess" vibe to it.

"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.

I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)

I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.

But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.

Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")

Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track

I'll get home in like an hour which is conveniently eod

I'm caught up, re:visor I think he's a wolf but mechanically speaking I think there's merit in letting him live. That said if we let him live here y'all are prolly lunching me so I'm going to pretend I'm fully confident in visor being a wolf from now on

and like sure the reasoning is faintly plausible, but it just feels super made up

and this has been my biggest issue with sk all game, esp from when he randomly started hard pushing insom eod1

it feels like he picks reads to have and then comes up with reasons to have those reads

in the posts above wrt visor, it basically boils down to "you should read me as v but you're not" and idk the transition feels super jagged and unnatural

i can talk more about the eod1 stuff maybe, but i'm curious to hear other people's thoughts on this stretch of post

oh and also that last post saying "i think he's a wolf but mechanically speaking i think there's merit in letting them live"-- this was completely absent from how sk was playing eod, well before he/visor were the guaranteed wagons

and that was why i was getting mad at him, because it literally just felt like "i think he's a wolf and i don't really care about the mechanics"

iunno

i really really don't wanna be wrong here, but i can't get myself to see his play here as a villager