13er summer game thread

[Cuthillius]

insom can you talk about your read on winston through eod2?

[Cuthillius]

eh just read insom's posts

my main criticism funnily enough and the reason i've voted him a few times is kinda a similar reason to why i don't like sk's posts

just, like, a pretty different flavor

everything is just very even and controlled

maybe a good way of putting it is that insom feels like he's always in a position where he's punching down? with cape d1, righteous indignation over ender wagon, then response to sk and stuff

his reads have been fairly static? but like not in a super disagreeable way? i don't really have a bone to pick with his reads specifically, but it is all very clean and orderly

and that makes me a little scared

but i don't really see myself going there over sk ever

and end of day i still think he's probably v

[Cuthillius]

i skimmed over benneh again and i really don't know

numbers-wise and a how he carried himself towards eod yesterday he's probably a wolf? unless katze is but i'm gonna just roll with the pr claim for now and not think about it too much

idk

don't wanna get lost in the weeds

i think this game is pretty winnable if we sit down and don't get too caught up in trying to solve for all three wolves

and i think sk is the wolfiest person in the game by far, and if he's not then i have no clue what's going on in this game

except for maybe being snowed by benneh/katze+1 but if so mm i'm maybe okay with it

i'll probably look over some stuff a bit more tomorrow morning and confirm feelings on katze but i think i'm kinda set in terms of this phase at least

good night don't do anything silly

[nebjiamn]

i skimmed over benneh again and i really don't know

numbers-wise and a how he carried himself towards eod yesterday he's probably a wolf? unless katze is but i'm gonna just roll with the pr claim for now and not think about it too much

idk

don't wanna get lost in the weeds

i think this game is pretty winnable if we sit down and don't get too caught up in trying to solve for all three wolves

and i think sk is the wolfiest person in the game by far, and if he's not then i have no clue what's going on in this game

except for maybe being snowed by benneh/katze+1 but if so mm i'm maybe okay with it

i'll probably look over some stuff a bit more tomorrow morning and confirm feelings on katze but i think i'm kinda set in terms of this phase at least

good night don't do anything silly

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[Cuthillius]

dunno what you don't understand

seems pretty clear to me

[Winston Hughes]

Another reason I think I'm mostly right in my worldview is because all my pushers have focused only on SK!Wolf and that's that.

But they haven't focused on teambuilding because that would imply dirtying their hands trying to argue in favor of Achro/Katze/Winston, which, ok, one of them could be a wolf, but trying to convince other people of that would get dirty. Or the alternative, pairing my with one of Cuth/Benneh/Insom, and (whoever is town there) discovering whoever is trying to pair me with them is full of bs, or just doing w/w theathrics.

So it's easier to say "SK WOLF" loudly.

Insom lylo so far has been
- Shade on Katze
- Shade on winston
- (No real exploration of either)
- some back and forth with some light reads
- thinking I'm a wolf.

Only comment I want to note is that he said that "if SK is town that might mean benneh/cuth wolves" which like. For a second. Insom, if you're town, and I'm town, that'd be the exact world we live in, and idk why then v!you would have such a hard time reconciliating that idea unless you were absolutely sure I'm a wolf, which you shouldn't be ever.

Benneh lylo so far:
- thinking i'm a wolf
-Some sus on insom sod (no exploration)
- some back and forth with some light reads (one with cuth where cuth accuses him of being w/w with me)
- some exploration on w!cuth

Both have also expressed they v!read achro. Benneh says that it's possible that's cuth/sk and one of winston katze which. Hm. Honestly I'd prolly have to see what Cuth has to say about this but it'll be pretty funny when he says to benneh that it's me/benneh or some shit while I'm just here, because apparently it doesn't really matter who I'm wolfing with only that I'm a wolf and thus must be lunched

Cuth e
- Also has achro as their top v! read which I'm not sure what it means currently. Maybe they're not focused on achro because he'll be a hard sell for a misslunch if he's v, but also because they don't want to get on his bad side and he isn't related to their gamble of losing or winning the game if they are wolves.
- Says it's possible I'm w/w with Benneh. I don't think this makes a lot of sense. Cuth has been suspecting both of us at some points so I'm unsure if his view is unrealistic even if it's wrong.
- there's a discussion on katze pr which I don't care about.
- All of them seem to argue that winston be a wolf and at this point I can prolly hear dvc being like "my dudes winston hasn't received heat the whole game and is in the exact spot of an unnoticed wolf" and yes I agree but no I don't know what the fuck to do about it and I was expecting my fellow townies to know but I don't know who my fellow townies are.
-thinkingt i'm a wolf.

Cuth has less content even tho I had more to say bc some of it are conclussions and I'm kinda expecting to see wtf he has to say re achro

i think i might just be convinced by this

the three of them vibe like they know how they want the day to go and are working to close the angles and make it happen

the same is not true of achro or katze - the former is continuing to obsess over his own process, the latter feels like he's drifting in a way that, as town, would be something like resigned (as scum, it would be better characterised as either lazily overconfident or afraid of upsetting a winning position)

[Winston Hughes]

it also feels like the three of them are maintaining just enough distance between them without feeling like they're ever going to reach push one another into the firing line

[Winston Hughes]

i've been on katze's case throughout this game, but it's always been based on a meta read

and as the whole visor debacle proved, my meta reads are for shit

if i'm just setting aside everything except how things have played out today (which given how much of a shit show d1 and d2 were, seems wise), it really does look like benneh/cuth/insomnia are the scum running this game

[Winston Hughes]

it also feels like the three of them are maintaining just enough distance between them without feeling like they're ever going to reach push one another into the firing line

reach = really

[Winston Hughes]

you said above this that you were thinking katze was likely w

you think that sk is >>rand v because you don't think wolves would let w!sk rand over visor there-- why do you think it's unlikely that wolves wouldn't all want to be on visor over sk there, especially given how close the votes were?

that's exactly my point: if i take achro as town (and i'm quite prepared to lose the game rather than think he's played this way as scum), then there cannot be all of the wolves on that wagon

also, where's your read at on sk's slot overall? the first time you mentioned him was at eod1 where you explicitly said that you didn't want to vote him, then next on d2 when you said that you had had some light v ping from him but couldn't remember what, and then you read and said that his progression was believable so he's slight v, and that's basically it going into today where you're claiming he's a strong v read based on wagons. what's your take on benneh's argument to the contrary? do you think they could be wolves together?

i think if sk is scum, he's done a very good job of looking townie from my perspective

i am also pretty much entirely just ignoring all of the associative/positional shit that happened before today unless it's incredibly solid (like the actual shake-down of votes at eod yesterday) as i'm sure you can justify literally any set of reads off it at this point

as for benneh's argument, could you please spell it out in your own words as you understand it?

[Winston Hughes]

@Winston Hughes

can you explain this? am i wrong etc

sorry, i don't understand what you're saying there

wasn't i saying that the wolves weren't saving sk (because he's not a buddy)?

[SilverKeith]

Just woke up.

I've let this marinate and I'm still at here. I won't really be around for the next 8 hours since I'm at work so I think it's better to vote here and relieve myself of pressure regardless of the outcome, don't really see myself not voting here. Sorry if I'm wrong and we lose here.

Vote:Insomnia

[SilverKeith]

(awaiting ppl to hammer or not hammer)

[Winston Hughes]

Just woke up.

I've let this marinate and I'm still at here. I won't really be around for the next 8 hours since I'm at work so I think it's better to vote here and relieve myself of pressure regardless of the outcome, don't really see myself not voting here. Sorry if I'm wrong and we lose here.

Vote:Insomnia

i hope you're right

or scum

[insomnia]

im a villa

thanks for not making me do the work if you’re v lol, but thinking you’re wolf anyway

[insomnia]

though i did wake up thinking there’s a real possibility you’re villa ngl

hopefully it’s the case so it’s wraps cuz i have no clue where to go next if you’re wolf


gonna come back later when muricans are up to see if game is over or nah

[insomnia]

insom can you talk about your read on winston through eod2?

im not sure anything pinged me in real time there. if anything i just noticed him being laidback a little but nothing concerning really

he has a really chill way about going about things that makes it seem he doesn't care to entertain how he looks, think that's happened yesterday too but don't make me point out the exact thing that went down cuz i forgot, lol. he has these almost derpy posts at times. maybe a bad comparison but he sometimes comes with posts that i'd imagine michelle doing when she's a villager, they give off that vibe of uninformed sorta righteousness

eh just read insom's posts

my main criticism funnily enough and the reason i've voted him a few times is kinda a similar reason to why i don't like sk's posts

just, like, a pretty different flavor

everything is just very even and controlled

maybe a good way of putting it is that insom feels like he's always in a position where he's punching down? with cape d1, righteous indignation over ender wagon, then response to sk and stuff

his reads have been fairly static? but like not in a super disagreeable way? i don't really have a bone to pick with his reads specifically, but it is all very clean and orderly

and that makes me a little scared

but i don't really see myself going there over sk ever

and end of day i still think he's probably v

this isn't a bad read, but it doesn't make me a wolf. nowadays im more calculated as a villa than wolf

but i wouldn't say i was positioning myself to "punch from above"

[Winston Hughes]

stop looking so townish, insomnia

it's making me edgy

[Winston Hughes]

as an exercise in testing my underlying feelings about insomnia vs sk, i decided to toss a coin: heads says i should vote insomnia, tails says i should vote sk

it came up tails

i felt like i wasn't happy with that, which means i should probably vote insomnia, but...

i thought I'd give it another go

tails

and again

tails

only on the seventh flip did it go heads

[katze]

bit of a random question kat but why the last line towards insom?

seems obvious that i am applying pressure to some1 i am conflicted on lol

also sk vote is ack'd

[Achro]

I wrote several posts about how benneh/cuth/insomnia makes sense to me but now I am probably voting sk

My mind is a funny place tbh

[Winston Hughes]

so am i right in thinking that, unless the scum are extending this just for kicks, one of sk and insomnia must be scum?

[Winston Hughes]

i have a maximum of 2 hours remaining, btw

[Winston Hughes]

achro posting ~50000 words of analysis but ending up with his "mind in a funny place" on this 50/50 shot...

[insomnia]

so am i right in thinking that, unless the scum are extending this just for kicks, one of sk and insomnia must be scum?

gotta wait on benneh / cuth

[Achro]

@Winston Hughes

I think sk is the wolf in this part fwiw

So I am thinking back to something katze said. It's kind of a funny thought to me now in hindsight I guess. 'If I was a wolf u would want insomnia dead over cape'

I thought a lot about that while not posting last night. And sk and cuth are both on sk. Then I decided to think about the fact that dya for sure wanted sk dead and was probably never going to be chopped. So my weird theory about insomnia didn't really have to be true (all 3 killing sk)

Then I remember another thing katze said about how sk was probably the shrugyeet. I don't like these things just because I don't like sleep walking through days. I have lost a lot of games that way. Brings back bad memories. I think now katze had the right idea but just terrible marketing.

So right now in my head, and maybe I am just feeling funny, but I have sk/cuth as paired regardless of how the latter votes today hmm. Well if we get today right there's always more reading to do I suppose.

People always see me post big walls and think I am tunneled, but lately it's just a good way to get the thoughts out of my head so I can think clearer.

Something just really bothered me about sk who was going back and forth with cuth a lot eod yesterday but today when o presented a case sk didn't even want to wait for cuth to respond. Felt supremely icky.

I referenced my vote on boq for cuth/insomnia but the simpler explanation is cuth is just a wolf who woukd have thought it cool to kill insomnia. Maybe he really was afraid of benneh. Maybe he is town and this is all just okay style differences like he says.

I now know from reading past games of sk that he does the thing I town read him for at eod a lot as a wolf. So I probably should just stick to my initial dislike of that wall of his and see how people react to things from then.
@Winston Hughes

Hiya. Yeah one of them. Atm I actually think it is sk who played well but your vote is of course your own. My reasoning is that every dead town member had sk low in their reads list and I didn't like how sk handled my cuth case. Additionally his opening wall thinking me and taffy were both wolfy felt fake (and I voted him for it) and the thing I tr'd him for at eod he does as a wolf a lot.

The people who die usually die for a reason. Ladd is ladd sure but the rest of his poe outside of sk has been a miss. Dya wanted to murder sk for awhile. Idk. At lylo I like to stretch my legs but ultimately listening to the people the mafia chose to murder is a good idea and the angle for wolf sk is clear to me.

[Winston Hughes]

that said, i'm so convinced i'll get it wrong that i'm playing wifom with myself

[Winston Hughes]

gotta wait on benneh / cuth

but there's only two of them, meaning at least one wolf would have to have posted since sk voted, right?

[Winston Hughes]

@Winston Hughes

I think sk is the wolf in this part fwiw

So I am thinking back to something katze said. It's kind of a funny thought to me now in hindsight I guess. 'If I was a wolf u would want insomnia dead over cape'

I thought a lot about that while not posting last night. And sk and cuth are both on sk. Then I decided to think about the fact that dya for sure wanted sk dead and was probably never going to be chopped. So my weird theory about insomnia didn't really have to be true (all 3 killing sk)

Then I remember another thing katze said about how sk was probably the shrugyeet. I don't like these things just because I don't like sleep walking through days. I have lost a lot of games that way. Brings back bad memories. I think now katze had the right idea but just terrible marketing.

So right now in my head, and maybe I am just feeling funny, but I have sk/cuth as paired regardless of how the latter votes today hmm. Well if we get today right there's always more reading to do I suppose.

People always see me post big walls and think I am tunneled, but lately it's just a good way to get the thoughts out of my head so I can think clearer.

Something just really bothered me about sk who was going back and forth with cuth a lot eod yesterday but today when o presented a case sk didn't even want to wait for cuth to respond. Felt supremely icky.

I referenced my vote on boq for cuth/insomnia but the simpler explanation is cuth is just a wolf who woukd have thought it cool to kill insomnia. Maybe he really was afraid of benneh. Maybe he is town and this is all just okay style differences like he says.

I now know from reading past games of sk that he does the thing I town read him for at eod a lot as a wolf. So I probably should just stick to my initial dislike of that wall of his and see how people react to things from then.
@Winston Hughes

Hiya. Yeah one of them. Atm I actually think it is sk who played well but your vote is of course your own. My reasoning is that every dead town member had sk low in their reads list and I didn't like how sk handled my cuth case. Additionally his opening wall thinking me and taffy were both wolfy felt fake (and I voted him for it) and the thing I tr'd him for at eod he does as a wolf a lot.

The people who die usually die for a reason. Ladd is ladd sure but the rest of his poe outside of sk has been a miss. Dya wanted to murder sk for awhile. Idk. At lylo I like to stretch my legs but ultimately listening to the people the mafia chose to murder is a good idea and the angle for wolf sk is clear to me.

okay, that makes sense

problem is, town has to vote together today, so my vote is not my own

[Achro]

Tbh if I was just basing it off lylo I would say the team of katze/sk/cuth who was waiting for you or me to misvote

Benneh has felt earnest
Insomnia has felt earnest
And you have felt earnest

Katze has done 0 solving. Kinda gross ngl
Sk has felt icky
Cuth has felt icky

But that's just lylo impressions for me atm. I could have it ass backwards lol. That's the curse of the uninformed as I call it.