13er summer game thread

[Winston Hughes]

i'm not taking offence to you trying to bully me

i'm just stating the fact that, by saying you'd vote me if i didn't accede to your demands in five hours, you were trying to bully me

[Winston Hughes]

oh, and that it's not going to work

[nebjiamn]

hi there

gg insomnia

[Achro]

i'm not taking offence to you trying to bully me

i'm just stating the fact that, by saying you'd vote me if i didn't accede to your demands in five hours, you were trying to bully me

It is interesting. Because I felt like my needs weren't being met by you denying me information that I desperately needed so I could understand. You, on the other hand, felt like you were being forced to do something you were uncomfortable with. Essentially two people acting in good faith but talking past each other because their own perspectives are imperfect due to perspective.

Hmm.

I won't vote you. I think it is cuth/benneh atm. Lmk if you are open to discuss this at all as I don't want to lose due to us not understanding one another.

[Winston Hughes]

if people here want to chop me for playing the game wrong, i'm entirely sanguine about it

you're all much better players at this kind of mafia game than i ever was, let alone compared to the washed-up old bastard i am now

but, win or (mostly) lose, i'm fucked if i'm not going to have fun while doing it

[Winston Hughes]

hi there

gg insomnia

oh yeah, good point

gg indeed

[nebjiamn]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

we know mafia has a 1x poisoner. i would iamgine they would also have either a firefighter or doc with village having MD and a full vig but lolsetupspec. that would probly make every role bussable after the night ender/visor died so /shrug

kat's claim is obvious bullshit also for this reason. i can see them claiming something fake and just holding onto it as a villager so i'm not reading ito it much alignment wise but i have it between kat and winston for cuth's partner anyway so maybe i should

[Achro]

To whoever my other ally may be I think Winston's reaction to me here is town indicative. At first I wasn't sure what they were doing in regard to stating it was katze/me and not just voting. However their not caring if I voted or not feels pretty genuine. In terms of mafia speak there is no difference if it results in the same cross but emotionally and in terms of preference there is a huge difference. So I don't think winston was being tactical like I might have suspected but rather genuine and thus town.

That's my read off that interaction anyway. It came from a genuine and earnest place. That helps me solve the game.

There is no wrong way to play mafia really imo. Judt sometimes styles clash is all. Fun is the # 1 goal for me as well but this game has had some style clashes and I did not do so hot during them.

[Winston Hughes]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

we know mafia has a 1x poisoner. i would iamgine they would also have either a firefighter or doc with village having MD and a full vig but lolsetupspec. that would probly make every role bussable after the night ender/visor died so /shrug

kat's claim is obvious bullshit also for this reason. i can see them claiming something fake and just holding onto it as a villager so i'm not reading ito it much alignment wise but i have it between kat and winston for cuth's partner anyway so maybe i should

just to indicate how diseased and paranoid my brain is right here, i seriously thought that you might be the one who got killed last night

[nebjiamn]

winston i'd implore (emplore?) you not to vote achro fwiw

a cross between you/cuth or you/kat is guaranteed to hit a wolf fmpov. i'm just locking achro in as town and wh ile i think you are a good chance to be a wolf i think the equity i'm assigning to that vs what i've assigned to achro v makes it a much better play for town if you don't vote him and either you vote your partner or you vote someone >95% to be a wolf in the worlds you're v

[nebjiamn]

just to indicate how diseased and paranoid my brain is right here, i seriously thought that you might be the one who got killed last night

i think insom was pretty spewed given how sk played that
but thats neither here nor there

[Achro]

Don't suppose you want to cross cuth yourself then. If you believe I am town then living in my world view gets us to final 3 unless it's winston katze out of nowhere lol.

I would obviously be voting cuth in this scenario.

[Achro]

That was to benneh

[Winston Hughes]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

this is where i started before rereading in light of the flip

and i can still see it, if i squint

cuth being so right on visor and sk?

is he that good as town?

what the reread got me was the opposite question

[nebjiamn]

Don't suppose you want to cross cuth yourself then. If you believe I am town then living in my world view gets us to final 3 unless it's winston katze out of nowhere lol.

I would obviously be voting cuth in this scenario.

i don't think 'winston/katze' is out of nowhere tbh and i think your world view is a bit skewed if katze is your top town

[Achro]

i don't think 'winston/katze' is out of nowhere tbh and i think your world view is a bit skewed if katze is your top town

I think winston is my top town now after our exchange today.

If it's winston/katze I am shook ngl

[Winston Hughes]

i think insom was pretty spewed given how sk played that
but thats neither here nor there

it was the bodyguard thing that got me thinking that

but you never believed it at all, right?

[Winston Hughes]

If it's winston/katze I am shook ngl

to be fair, like wolfing with visor, wolfing with katze might just be a wolf experience i'd actually enjoy

[nebjiamn]

also i'm probably just voting last cause post-day 1 i've had the best game of any villager minus maybe dya and i've earned the right to either blow the game at f5 or take us to f3 where someone else can win or throw while standing on my corpse

[nebjiamn]

it was the bodyguard thing that got me thinking that

but you never believed it at all, right?

i thought they were memeing at first and when they kinda sorta kept the claim after others engaged w/ it i just figured they realized they did something dumb and decided not to fully rescind but no i didnt believe it

[Achro]

to be fair, like wolfing with visor, wolfing with katze might just be a wolf experience i'd actually enjoy

Perhaps but I also will say the reason I would be shook is the same thing that told me sk is scum is telling me you are town today.

I don't get a lot of lylos lately - I usually die as town - but sk and you are opposites. I said I would snap vote sk and he said he didn't believe me but he also didn't vote an hour later either. He was afraid.

You are not. You are a townie unbuttoned by fear. You play how you want. You don't have to appease me or anyone.

You would have to be a better wolf than sk to fake that and there aren't too many of those lying around.

I also dont see in what world w!sk doesn't vote cuth ig cuth is v. We both had insomnia townier than cuth. Cuth was my top suspect and you had cuth in your bottom 3 but had been praising insomnia that day.

It was an odd choice that only extended the game in cuth v worlds.

[Achro]

i thought they were memeing at first and when they kinda sorta kept the claim after others engaged w/ it i just figured they realized they did something dumb and decided not to fully rescind but no i didnt believe it

Fair
@Winston Hughes @katze any objections to me casting the first vote during this day phase? I don't mean now. But I would rather choose the cross.

[Winston Hughes]

winston i'd implore (emplore?) you not to vote achro fwiw

a cross between you/cuth or you/kat is guaranteed to hit a wolf fmpov. i'm just locking achro in as town and wh ile i think you are a good chance to be a wolf i think the equity i'm assigning to that vs what i've assigned to achro v makes it a much better play for town if you don't vote him and either you vote your partner or you vote someone >95% to be a wolf in the worlds you're v

don't worry, i'm not jumping the gun here

i might need to finish ~6 hours early again, but that still leaves plenty of time to work this stuff through

and, more to the point, this shit is fun so why end it any earlier than it needs?

[Winston Hughes]

You would have to be a better wolf than sk to fake that and there aren't too many of those lying around.

maybe sk just had a bad game here

or maybe his death really was a part of the scum master plan

but from what i saw here i probably am a better wolf, at least in terms of avoiding getting chopped

soloing apparently unwinnable games is something of a specialty of mine

(there was one at giraffe that lasted fully two months and i was solo for the last five weeks - it was a living hell lol)

[Winston Hughes]

Fair
@Winston Hughes @katze any objections to me casting the first vote during this day phase? I don't mean now. But I would rather choose the cross.

yeah, i think i do

i mean, i don't fully understand the implications, so i'd rather it didn't get decided right now

[Winston Hughes]

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

[nebjiamn]

i'm more of a little wing or the wind cries mary guy myself

[Winston Hughes]

i'm more of a little wing or the wind cries mary guy myself

how confident a townie are you, benneh?

i mean, both in general and in this particular situation

[Achro]

What if I just live in a good vibes world and the wolves are katze/vuth/sk like i thought yesterday baser solely on lylo

That would be something. I will probably look into cuth/benneh and cuth/katze interactions later and see what mysteries I can feel. If cuth isn't a wolf I am snowed btw so if he is a villager hopefully he has an amazing defense for me.

Anyway gonna actually stop posting for a bit. I get way top excited for mafia. Maybe winston if we ever see each other again we can try my stupid game that I started the game with. Sorry that I made it unfun at times.

[Winston Hughes]

Anyway gonna actually stop posting for a bit. I get way top excited for mafia. Maybe winston if we ever see each other again we can try my stupid game that I started the game with. Sorry that I made it unfun at times.

i did like that idea

doubt i'd ever go along with it

but i am a fan of early d1 mad shit just to get the game moving on