13er summer game thread

[Achro]

you just misplayed this, sorry

Fwiw this would be very true if I were a wolf. There was really no reason to be so proactive in the two lylo days when the 3 of benneh/katze/winston had so much heat between them and winston starting off believing sk was town.

Although if sk was always dying yesterday I am surprised you or benneh didn't vote him to decide the cross. It was very possible that winston would vote katze and that would be a wrap.

I noticed right away that sk only got urgency to cross when I cased you. There is no answer to why wolf sk doesn't cross v you in a world where both benneh said you were wolfy and winston who tr'd sk said you were wolfy. If you were a villager I believe winston would have voted you over sk especially if I talked to them about it like I talked about sk during the cross with insomnia.

You have provided very little in the way of substantive argument that I am a wolf because very little exists. I am, unfortunately for you, very obviously not aligned with either katze or benneh given the first two days. If you try to push me hard with winston they will likely understand you are working in bad faith. So you just keep saying the same 2-3 lines over and over hoping it might work. Maybe it will. Who can say?

Alas, i am just a villager doing his best.

[Cuthillius]

at least the things I'm saying over and over are true and also don't depend on the alignment of someone who hasn't flipped yet

[Achro]

The sky is still not green, cuth. Sorry to say. Although yes I know you are a wolf now so my perspective will be biased. But I also covered scenarios for all possible team mates of mine in v you worlds so yeah.

Anyway here's some me and sk unpairing (also sk/winston unpairing imo they had a similar reaction to the vote early)

I'll vote in like, an hour or so if everyone's ok with that.

Please comment on my Cuth thoughts, Insomnia is my third strongest wolf read and it would make today hard for me if you vote there just fyi.

wait, sorry, why are you doing that?

I think we should put the first vote early-ish and I think I should cross with someone here based on the fact that half the game wanted me dead yday.



I'll comment on what you have to say about Cuth in a bit. But I'm partially wary because I'm not sure a team of those three is reasonable actually. Like, they just decide on the same configuration of blindly pushing me? And then I flip town there and Visor shoots one of them and they lose all of their cred? I'm not that sure about that. I think one of you/katze/winston is a wolf. And I'm wary of being one of you/katze because they will want me to vote whoever could be a villager between my three pushers. So yeah I'm kind of riding the theory of y'all three being mostly villagers but I'm trying to make thoughts on my own and not be potentially sweet talked.

You're saying Cuth now and Katze said me/benneh were never v/v so... Idk. I'm wary. And tempted to vote Insom because If he's a wolf I think he'd be the one wolves would put their stocks in, if that makes sense.

Originally he wasn't even planning on commenting on my big cuth thoughts before he voted insomnia.

Because every vote creates new information and we need time to digest that information.

If I cross with X, and game doesn't end, it means there's for sure a wolf between us (or two).

If then Z votes me, then it means Z and X are wolves, or I am one (or all three).

In response to winston

If you think the latter I think you're going to lose the game atm, but I can't stop you.

They didn't really blindly push you much tbh. I think, personally and just my pov, if you are a villager you are using pretty bad reasons for unaligning people when the eods were more nuanced than you are making them seem.

katze/insom don't make a lot of sense together fwiw

katze doesnt make a lot of sense with anyone reading their game, just like you dont imo

do what you think is best though.

but if you vote before cuth has a chance to address my concerns I am snap voting you
@SilverKeith

just fyi

This is when I decide 'wait, its really suspicious that sk and cuth got so heated at eod yesterday but sk doesn't even care to let cuth defend himself from me when it's lylo'

Understood even if I do not think you're snapvoting me.

If you're clearing katze/me your worry is 2 out of Benneh/Cuth/Insom and winston I'm getting?
Hmmmm.

re:your points with cuth that he doesn't vote benneh ever, eh. If I'm arguing for hypothetical v!cuth, he jumped votes all over the place so maybe he didn't land on benneh. If I'm arguing on w!cuth then yeah he might be with wolf benneh and don't want to bus each other, just pretend like they're having some kind of conflict while distancing.

Sadly I'll have to somewhat agree with Benneh here that w!cuth prolly has like a meticoulously planned PATH TO SUCESS which prolly doesn't involve getting benneh there lunched, maybe because Benneh is my main pusher alongside Insom, so if wolf cuth lunches v!Benneh, he loses cred and it makes it harder for them to push me. Instead if they flip v!me it'd be like "welp everyone wanted sk dead and his posts sucked anyway so can't blame me".

So I do not think "not voting benneh" is a lock for them being partnered. Because I think, talking about w!cuth, that him voting insom witouth really meaning to like he did EOD2 alongside me and visor is more partner-y than him not voting benneh, regardless of what he has to said about benneh. Like, If Cuth is a wolf, he neither wants benneh or insom dead, either because they are partners or bc he needs me them to misslunch me. And in that regards, I do not think there's that much of a difference between pretending to vote insom and not voting benneh, because they were never the lunches there.

If we're talkign v!cuth idk what he was thinking but I also don't know wtf he was thinking at eod1. That one he'll have to answer. But the easier answer is that it's easier for him to be wrong about me being a town, than it is to him being wrong about say benneh or insom.

Why would he be arguing for hypothetical v!cuth as a wolf? With his own wolf buddy? When I am telling him to not vote insomnia? Why not spin a tale of them being partnered? It is lylo. You just need one. Yet he gave 3 paragraphs here about v!cuth when he gave no consideration to now known v!insomnia. It's because sk was probably panicked that I was hitting very close to home at this point.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...11#post6797711



Hm hm hm.

Hm hm hmmm.

I like Benneh better today than SK tbh. SK has gotten a bit word salady for me and the EOD reads I liked before not so much now.

The above two quotes feel very 'same picture' like, and I am quoting a wolf SK game.

If SK is town he has messed up here, because before I was thinking he was town but now I am forced to wonder if the team is SK/Cuth/? and Benneh just got caught in the cross hairs because his reads and way of playing confuse me.

Really I can always go back to 'fuck it we ball' and the person mafia chose to kill was dya, so if I just vote for them like a COWARD then I can't really be blamed.

idk

the whole me trying to press cuth hard, cuth saying to give time, and then sk excusing cuth going SUPER HARD on him last eod for reasons SK at the time thought were bad in thread to 'nah, cuth doesn't have to respond, I'll vote insomnia within an hour'... idk, just not prudent town play, and maybe we're just never winning if sk is town here because I hate the not giving katze/cuth time to dig into the day much. It's been mostly me and a little bit of benneh atp.

it just feels bad.

I have like 3 posts left so we'll see, but those are my thoughts. If the cross is sk/insomnia I don't know which way I'll go, but probably sk for the above message and how it potentially pocketed me + dya's last will + the forced vote not feeling good at all.

You can see the gears turning. I reference another game on MU because I wanted to see recent play and I find him doing the same thing as wolf there as he did here to get me to town read him and the illusion begins to crumble.

Uh huh.

Achro do you realize this is the exact thing I think wolf!you would be doing right?

I'm reading the last page where you theorize a team of Cuth/Benneh/Insom and say that "Not seeing a lot of evidence it's not the team I think it is". You also say that you want one of those three to be voted. You have basically no problem with me.

I come in declaring intention to vote Insom.

Then you're like "welp actually I like Benneh more than SK now because whatever" and start sprouting anti-sk language and suddenly you have a problem with me voting insom and say that if I cross insom you're like "well idk I'll prolly vote sk here or something".

I'm not sure if you're a wolf, but if you are, this is a textbook example of trying to install fear in me for reaching a decision. By casually claiming that you'd vote me in that cross, then I'm suddenly like "welp can't vote insom now I guess I'll vote with the vote Achro wants me to go". It doesn't work like that. Fuck thinking who tf would vote alongside me, I want to vote a wolf and that's that.

He tries to scare me by calling it wolfy despite him never seeing my wolf game before lol.

If there is one thing town achro is that wolf achro never is, it is whimsical.

Good luck with your decision.

I am a fish. Unbothered by his bluster.

I need a sanity check on Achro's turnaround from y'all

Appealing to the audience. 'Should I cross with achro?' Is the unasked question here. I think to my fellow villagers it should be pretty this isnt w/w so here is hoping.

[katze]

gm

i have thoughts but want benneh and winston to speak first

@Cuthillius if you had to pick a voting order, what would it be and why?

[Cuthillius]

gm

i have thoughts but want benneh and winston to speak first

@Cuthillius if you had to pick a voting order, what would it be and why?

i don't care

probably winston first but i don't think it matters vastly

[katze]

why winston over benneh?

i get ur kinda annoyed w achro and i kinda wanna tell you to just stop talking to him but you probably know that already. im a neutral third party in this argument

[Cuthillius]

why winston over benneh?

i get ur kinda annoyed w achro and i kinda wanna tell you to just stop talking to him but you probably know that already. im a neutral third party in this argument

because i still think benneh is more likely v than winston?

idk bro I'm in bed

also it's hard not to respond to the person who's saying I'm making things up wholecloth while repeatedly claiming i said things i didn't

[Achro]

I do think it matters vastly especially when you consider that winston is sring me and if town is the game losing vote. You do love your subtle manipulation don't you? Just a thumb on the scale. The order here matters a lot but by playing it cool you can seem relaxed. A good facade.


My order is benneh first - he has the most partner equity imo and since he had me as top town read and you as wolfy it should be an easy decision. If not, his turn around is interesting.

Next katze. Second most partner equity

If it is tied 2-2 after that I trust my fate ultimately to Winston once all votes are on the table.

[nebjiamn]

im voting last :)

[nebjiamn]

also im heading into the office today so ill be pretty much gone all day except when i can sneak in some phone time

enjoy the agony nerds

[katze]

im voting last :)

ngl i dont think im ever voting before you

we can both abstain and let winston decide

[Achro]

im voting last :)

Weird stance considering your prior reads.

Alright benneh cuth it is. Gl to Winston.

[Cuthillius]

I do think it matters vastly especially when you consider that winston is sring me and if town is the game losing vote. You do love your subtle manipulation don't you? Just a thumb on the scale. The order here matters a lot but by playing it cool you can seem relaxed. A good facade.


My order is benneh first - he has the most partner equity imo and since he had me as top town read and you as wolfy it should be an easy decision. If not, his turn around is interesting.

Next katze. Second most partner equity

If it is tied 2-2 after that I trust my fate ultimately to Winston once all votes are on the table.

didn't winston use thumb on the scale first

[Achro]

didn't winston use thumb on the scale first

I believe the phrase is fairly old

[Cuthillius]

itt: achro continues to suggest various ways sk could commit suicide and spew people in a way that genuinely wouldn't help wolf win chances instead of crossing someone who might actually get killed that day and who's already clear if sk dies lol