13er summer game thread

[katze]

ill read over all the SK stuff in a bit too, trying to not information overload myself and i. still do want the other players outside the cross to do stuff today

[katze]

also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth

maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug

[Achro]

also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth

maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug

This makes sense.

But also I feel like I am just unpaired with both and also with SK given angle of attack and angle of retreat. It's such a stupid angle to take if I know SK is a wolf, but also to side eye winston over SK too? It's really doing the most day 1 when I don't particularly bus much day 1 when I can help it, and town was sleep walking through that eod if me/sk were both wolves tbh

[Achro]

Visor asks Benneh 'who after SK if wolf'

hopefully dvc

idk honestly, prob in the you/ahcro/katze triangle

Cool.

Anyway I got angry like an idiot zzz

Anyway, that being said good morning friends and foes alike.

I don’t really mind dying today if you all can’t gel with my world view, it’ll probably make each side happier and it is just a fun, chill game after all.

Anyway I found the Ladd kill a little odd at first, not that I would tunnel him or anything - that was mostly to reflect back on after the fact and see how people moved around others - but he was undoubtedly the leader yesterday who sent us into the rocks of a Cape kill.

So, why kill Ladd? I think it is either something else he posted, or what he would have thought after reflecting on the fact Cape was town over night. So I’m going to put my Ladd cap on and try to go over the thread a bit before I have to leave, not sure how much I will get done.

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

So in total I need to find 3 scum in 9 names

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Cuth
Benneh
Winston
Visor
Taffy
Dya

And my starting premise is Katze/Insomnia are unlikely to be w/w. Alright then.

My first town core slot is going to Taffy. 95% confidence on this one. For starters, I know personally my ability to perceive intent on who votes me has a stellar track record, I’d give that 90% by itself, but the thread state of poking Taffy a lot over what I thought was an interesting and towny way of voting me brings it up another 5%. I know they are a skilled player, so I leave myself open to being fooled as we haven’t played together before and that’s where my social reads are weakest, but as of this moment I think I’d just lose to Taffy for that play + the thread state around them.

Which that alone now makes my job reading day 1 kind of a lot easier. I now have 5 villagers in my head that I can see how the other 8 suspects interacted with to see who pushed pro-town agenda, who pushed anti-town agenda, who coasted along, and who is unclear even with this.

Cool, that’s a lot of data. But let’s try to add at least 1-2 more likely town to this list to make it even better.

I liked Cuth in general yesterday but soured in real time in EOD, however if Ender is willing to let that go so am I, who am I to OMGUS for another man? So I’ll put Cuth in my town pile.






I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK @nebjiamn

(This isn’t loaded I don’t understand)

Dya I warmed back on due to these posts:



Wolves typically complete assignments as asked, Katze asked for 5 names but said less was ok, and Dya took the opportunity to give less. Not hugely confident, but a note.




I felt yesterday this was like me - concerned about moving the thread. There was a lot of dead air around Cape and I am presuming Taffy yesterday, so when Dya had cuth listed because the thread wasn’t being moved I really liked that comment a lot. It felt like a non-obvious mindmeld of concern for the state of things. I didn’t feel pandered to or manipulated, although I don’t know dya’s complete wolf range it is enough for me to slot them into my town pile for now.

Ender (Poisond)
Taffy
Cuth
Dya


Current town pile, leaving me with:

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Benneh
Winston
Visor

3 wolves, 3 villagers. I do not believe Katze/Insomnia are paired.


I paused for a second to wonder what Visor is even talking about, and now my head is back to hurting.

SK probably has wolf equity. I was running strats at EOD and was handwaving people as towny/wolfy to try to see where the chaos led, my town read on SK was pretty weak tbh.

I will leave it here for now as I am overdoing it I think still, but my direction is pretty clear atm. Go through the thread and see how the above six moved around the other 7 players and try to find the 3 most pockety/predatory among them while keeping an eye out for signs of being partnered.

Cool.

So I review things and I realize 'okay, the SK town read at eod was pretty weak' which yeah, it was. I make the intuitive thought that perhaps all of the wolves were off of Cape (I think this is correct now) so I start breaking it down.

I thought benneh/sk were unaligned in this post due to how it felt like he was treating sk/dya the same but yeah, not liking my reason for really thinking SK was town at the time so back into the suspect pile he went.

Then visor said more things...

Lmao

*moves Winston to town pile*

I'm stupid okay I really thought that was a town poisoner claim lol

@EnderWiggin

Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.

I wanted to solve with ender because I trusted him, good decision making to want to solve with a slot you trust.

unvote: katze

Executive decision in my brain to leave katze for last in my thinking. I have devoted too much time to my second favorite MU champs winner, I will come back to them at the close of the show c

Good decision making.

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.

Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.

Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!

Like... I didn't want to be at lylo with this person who was tunneling me this is such a really weird out of the box way to get town cred lmao. I was being really sincere here. I felt like taffy was obv town but I just wasn't reaching them at all so I didn't want to be the game ending chop (oh boy)

vote: SK

I have decided katze is probably town whose marketing for this chop needs a lot of revisement.

But also I made a bad change of read eod and I will go back to sk being frozen and crying in wolf chat as in my current world view there are no viable teams that do not involve him.

Cool cool. Cool.

Good post. Great post. Katze just said it wrong, all times revolve around SK. We're good.

could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

(towntell)

I argue with visor some more, baffled how I did nothing for cape in his view.

Achro seething in Google docs rn

true

I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?

I am just stupid, katze. lol. I wasn't trying to push any weird narrative I just misread the intent all day.

i meant in general because I have no idea how to approach his posts for the most part and that extends beyond this game

I think this is dya agreeing with this take atp but lol

vote: silverkeith

for now in italics

me and visor agree, ok based

Brain too mush to give you questions rn. I'm trying to catch up and maybe will see something to ask you about.

Ender responds to me and I am like cool, we're going to solve together.

Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."

This... broke my brain. I had been struggling to get traction in the thread but was feeling a bit better day 2 and ender's sudden turn around from solving with me to voting with me just... ruined my mafia day real quick.

I... don't really want to discuss the rest of day 2 tbh because I went from this to thinking visor was red checked most of the day to after he wasnt red checked me just having a head full of confirmation bias. But reading this back... it kind of hurts that it was my top town read at the time that kind of demoralized me. He is just trying to solve the game, it isn't a blame thing, but... fuck. I was voting SK before this. This is where things started to go wrong.

[Achro]

@katze you and winston are my jury in my eyes atm. Is it okay if I move on to SOD3?

[Cuthillius]

yes

[Achro]

yes

I like you, enemies we may be.

Good egg, I was right about that.

[katze]

@katze you and winston are my jury in my eyes atm. Is it okay if I move on to SOD3?

was afk, yeah i won't force you to go over eod2 i can reread it for myself if i deem it necessary

(still not really here)