Cereal killer mafia

[Visor]

this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

i can believe this

kinda want to go rask today maybe

[Visor]

Vote: Raskol

anythign from sleep or wisdom would be gr8 thx

[EnderWiggin]

I thought it was bloody obvious what with his replying to my song with a song, but apparently not.

I'm literally telling you that Monty is claiming PR, and you not only persist in voting him but then he dies in the night. I'm sorry but you can't ever endgame after that.

I mean. I didn't notice it. I see so many "Song response to song" interactions that tbh I just never thought to check for a PR claim in there.

And your response to me didn't come off as "This person is claiming pr stop."

So shrug. If that's what you want to yeet me off go ahead, but I feel like this is the same thing I ranted at people pushing AV over a while back. No matter how a player is perceived they can't be held at gunpoint for "Not noticing something they should have".

If I were playing a more attentive game (which I'm not rn tbh) I don't even know if I would've noticed it.

[EnderWiggin]

That's supposed to be a heart emoji bc the on-site one is meh.

so anemic.

[EnderWiggin]

actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

I hate this claim.

[EnderWiggin]

The people posting super villagery this game were actually villagers

Who would have thought eheh


I really wanna see more from rask/wisdom cause cape is prob a villager too

I think this is probably the first Ladd post I've seen and immediately just agreed with without reservations.

[EnderWiggin]

it was a one-shot so feel free to string me up tomorrow or something

Somehow I hate this claim even more now.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

Tbh memeing around tying the vote and not going back to Monty to exert pressure towards that direction is the non-wolf tell. But yeah even if I was wolf yesterday I was voting Monty.

[EnderWiggin]

I struggle to believe Visor actually believes in his read on me, but I guess that partly stems from expecting him tonbe able to read me (iirc he found me as wolf for the right reasons once) and the fact that his wolf read on me pretty much spawned from me provoking him. Oh well, maybe he's a peasant and not a king ;3

Good job on the yeet, sorry about being wrong.

Too bad Taffy claimed, that was my only tr ^^'

I don't really have any other reads or a plan, so hopefully I'll get there today!

I wish I could see what Ladd sees wrt Syn ^^

I cannot help but read this badly tbh. "I have one read and it's the PR" is awfully convenient.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender is definatly not someone who values fancy play that can backfire...

I have never once in my life done a fancy play that backfired on me.

Never.

*Shuffles game archive under rug.*

[EnderWiggin]

Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that)
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager

....

What.

I was voting Wisdom as a joke.

I thought that was obvious. My whole "Top ten anime betrayals" joke was because I thought it was literally so obvious that I was gonna swap back last minute. (I originally voted because of a Visor post and I was feeling funny, and stayed on it because it was a tied vote and I like tied votes because people flinching at tied votes can be useful down the line once we have a few flips.)

Vote: Rask

Given how much you've seen me meme around and in fact called me out on it once when you said everyone knew I was going to go back to voting my prime sus at very eod, I really feel like this read is opportunistic given the sus on me.

[EnderWiggin]

this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

Welcome to my brain =P

[EnderWiggin]

And now I'm caught up that's my wolfy pop-in.

See you next time.

[Syn]

I hate this claim.

really not understanding the beef you and Jan have with this

[Gemma]

Votal 2.2

Ender (3) - ladd (#311), Sleep (#358), Rask (#412)
Rask (3) - Cape (#352), Visor (#422), Ender (#431)
Sleep (1) - Syn (#418)

[ladd]

where are you at now, fwiw ladd?

Wanna see more from a bunch of people tbh

Hope for something more tomorrow

Ngl your read on ender really confuses me, it feels really counterintuitive to the monty flip but i am too drunk rn to try to figure out what it means



Also yall are wild, i feel like if i dont get nked its impossible for me to get cleared in games even if i am an obvious villager (just...in general, not only this game)

See ya tomorrow

[Suibian]

I don't really feel that great and would rather be sleeping right now, so bear with me.

monty was fairly spewed from wagonomics (and i dont say this often lol)

still weird kill tho

I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)

I wish neither of the people who claimed had claimed though. I do believe Taffy's claim; I remember wondering what that Taffy hard claim post was about and wondered if there was a pr claim nestled in there or something but also wondered if that's how they emphasize that their posts are serious or something. Anyway, the tonal shift today feels real enough. Don't know why they think that the claim means they get to decide the wagons, but that makes me believe the claim even more. They should out who they healed by the end of the day though; it's true they're not confirmed town because of possible double-dipping but that information would be nice.

I like the way Syn claimed. Mostly that it was a super early claim that felt a bit town jumpy before seeing if any of the suspicion on them took off. Might want to believe this claim though because Monty makes more sense as a vig shot than a night kill.

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

I haven't drawn scum since 2017, so what scum me is going to look like is anyone's guess, but I was never a huge busser. I prefer keeping the team together as long as I can, especially considering the fact that I consider myself the weak link in any scum team. I do bus sometimes, but I'm pretty sure I'd have gone Monty yesterday if I were scum. Yeah I know self-meta, and I can really only guess now.

But I am also the person she would be pocketing right now.

If I could get up the nerve to post, this is probably true.

You still have wisdom decently town, right? Can you expand on that read?

Yes. That was before he sniped the wolf at eod chaos.

It went from "Sus visor" to reading at night and nodding and then "Ah, town visor."

Is he not known for bussing?

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What's a shroop read?

Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.

So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways

I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.

#203
I get pocket-y vibes here...

Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is )

Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor

As someone who overuses kinda myself, I feel like you wronged me a bit by saying I kinda voted. ^-^

What didn't you like about my Monty treatment? (The point about sleep bringing attention to something looking good feels a bit weird as I'm pretty sure we were just interacting about a read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.)

How was my response to Jan saying I need to be more competent pockety? (For the record, I think I have other posts that would be considered more pockety to Jan than that one, so I don't mind the pockety or even buddying accusation, I'm more interested in why that particular one caught your eye.)

I hate quote striping, not making long posts and my post length is going to vary in general. I quote striped then (and now) even though I hate it for two reasons. One is that we have a post cap of 50 posts per day, and I was saving as many posts as possible for eod as I didn't know how busy it was going to be. Two is that I'm trying not to be too obnoxious by making a bunch of posts in a row. I don't know what posting etiquette is at this site, and I've gotten warnings on other sites for posting too many times in a row, so I'm trying to contain catch-up posts.

Fair enuf

Not the fair enough scum tell!

[EnderWiggin]

Is he not known for bussing?

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What's a shroop read?

He is, but also he could've stayed on Wisdom and no one would've batted an eye. Visor is not an over-active busser.

Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

[EnderWiggin]

really not understanding the beef you and Jan have with this

It's a PR claim that can't be verified, and provides an out for at least 2 night phases to not die.

[Suibian]

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though

I did eventually get better (but I'll never not be embarrassed about how terrible I was and I'm terrified that will be me again.)

You can try and watch how I respond to people trying to make a team game a solo act.

Or you can be a normal human being and make a case and get the added benefit that I think you are a villa.

This is a mood and makes me feel better about my read on you.

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I'm confused about Taffy's ender post in 362. I want to ask a question, but I'm zoning out and having a hard time finding the words, so kind a reminder for myself that I have a question here maybe.

I like Jan's interactions and responses regarding the claims.

wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?

Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

I agree with this take. Think there'd be more heat about a bus vote based on what was posted leading up to eod. Dammit I had another thought related to this but it left my head. Maybe I'll remember later.

Not that I'm saying ender is scum. It's a read that I do need to reevaluate because it was a tone read, and I need to make it a bit more substantial, but I kinda liked him saying that his scum range is yes and that he likes to make people paranoid. I guess if his scum range is yes, I shouldn't like it because would he really as scum be waving that in the face of someone who thinks he's town? But he said his scum range is yes so yes? Boh I still like the read though

yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

Oh but I like this explanation. I need to go back to eod.

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I still like the people I liked yesterday, but I need to reevaluate to make sure. I need sleep. Mondays are super long/busy days for me. I'll try to check in throughout the day, but I make no promises that I can be here earlier than about 2-3 hours before deadline.

Wisdom still feels fine? This isn't something I feel confident on as it's really often that the person I read as "they're fine?" tend to escape my notice until day three when I realize they're scum. lol. But I did like their most recent post when they say Visor might be a peasant and not a king. That might be an inside joke, but I dunno felt kinda townie.

I need to reread through Rask and I have a super weakness to people proclaiming they're town and not getting yeeted, and I should actually go back and make a read there.

I haven't seen anything concerning about sleep, but I also don't have a strong read there either. I want him to be town, and I do like his interactions with me, but sometimes I think I'm a little too cautious with my read on him and maybe I'm being that way right now so bleh.

I don't have any strong scum reads which means I'm probably writing off someone as fine who I shouldn't. Anyway I'm tired, I'll try to fix this tomorrow.

[Suibian]

Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

Thanks! This sounds as reliable as the "scum don't use contractions to try to make their reads sound more serious and believable" tell :P

[Visor]

The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me

Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?

[Syn]

It's a PR claim that can't be verified, and provides an out for at least 2 night phases to not die.

all this post means is that I am guaranteed to die, because a claimed PR cannot survive to LYLO. and if I am alive at LYLO, I get turbo hammered. pretty ez and not worth worrying about

[Syn]

Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?

I think most people possess energy that is largely dependent on the team. I could answer more specifically about Wisdom, but it feels vaguely angleshoot-y and isn't a read you could or should believe me on anyway since it's based purely on personality/meta

[Cape90]

wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

i have a question about this looking back at it

by extension, using this logic, do you think I am unlikely to be mafia? Or does this only apply to Wisdom?

[Cape90]

Visor

Totally not Taffy - claimed pr
Syn - claimed pr

EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf

Jan - possibility of bussing inactive partner, but otherwise decent
Suibian - i can see a wolf with jan world where tehy bus inactive partner and ride cred, but otherwise, did not need to make the vote at eod to put barto in danger

ladd - voted barto, but also possibly likeliest busser? idk
Cape90 - haven't minded his posting so far tbh

Raskolnikov
Sleep
Wisdom

is what i am left with, basically.

honestly could see Sleep after what they have posted today, but I have liked their postings otherwise

[Cape90]

basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense

for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)

or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)

basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying

just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that

comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically

I disagree with this line of logic actually. I feel like Ender was townread enough day 1 to where as wolf, I have a feeling that he could end up in a position to where he feels comfy enough to save his mafia partner

like i could see that even though I am currently thinking that he's just town

[Cape90]

yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

yeah but like, el barto could have lived

you believing this has to rely on "does w!Ender find it worth it to try to save his mafia member and hope they step up their game day 2?" and that answer being "never"

[Cape90]

part of my read on you simply just a process of elimination

and my wolf read on you didn't really come from that, but i don't really think it matters, its not like i am going to get lunched at any point in this game anymore (unless people get particularly feisty)

it would certainly be helpful to get your perspective today, given there isnt a whole lot going for you right now

Wisdom was saying yesterday this

I mean sure, in a vaccuum I get it, it's just that statistically wolves are way more prone to call me town early than town are (when I'm town at least), so I'm being cautious. ^^

And, I mean, you're right, so a point to you if you're town here!

And given how their posts haven't super improved since then, this feels like a weird call out if Wisdom is town

[Cape90]

Sup guys.

Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious

I exist and have thoughts.

One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.

Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.

I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post

IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"

Sorry for your not "very good" rand

Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?

You sound extremely uncomfortable