Cereal killer mafia

[Cape90]

Sup guys.

Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious

I exist and have thoughts.

One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.

Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.

I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post

IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"

Sorry for your not "very good" rand

Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?

You sound extremely uncomfortable

[Cape90]

oh and Suibian is back to being town

Dammit I had another thought related to this but it left my head. Maybe I'll remember later.

I'm confused about Taffy's ender post in 362. I want to ask a question, but I'm zoning out and having a hard time finding the words, so kind a reminder for myself that I have a question here maybe.

quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town

What didn't you like about my Monty treatment? (The point about sleep bringing attention to something looking good feels a bit weird as I'm pretty sure we were just interacting about a read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.)

It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words

And Ender's post that follows this one makes me feel like my earlier thoughts about Monty were on target and not just confusion. hrm

When Ladd asked me what I liked about the posts and went back I realized that it was mostly emojis and what I liked were a couple sentences that aren't really all that alignment indicative but I had a knee-jerk maybe I'm just confused by him reaction.

(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)

Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty

His 166 and 167 felt a bit more natural? Looking back there's not a huge reason why and scum could definitely feel a bit more natural as they settle in from early awkwardness, but I liked I liked the scary mind meld with a catch response to taffy and your read's posts, and I liked the bit about bracing himself for humiliatingly misreading ender or kage.

So, yeah not enough to go this guy is town, but enough for me to consider that I might just be confused by his earlier approach.

And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.

I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day

And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto

I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all

[EnderWiggin]

oh and Suibian is back to being town

I'm ngl I saw the Suibian posts and was like "That's an awful lot of words to say 'I don't scumread anyone'."

[Visor]

i think i will just stick to killing wisdom

i just don't believe their solving aorn

[EnderWiggin]

I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.

But also this worked out well last day phase so...

Vote: Wisdom

[EnderWiggin]

I think I don't mind living in the current POE. I'm at least surrounded by people I think are likely wolves. Ladd is the only person I think wolf who has actually escaped the POE for now. (Yes, yes, I just made a snarky comment about Suibian. Keeping an eye there but I do still like their tone and interactions. Current wolf lists on my end do not have them over Wisdom/Rask/Ladd)

[ladd]

Ladd is the only person I think wolf

How

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.

But also this worked out well last day phase so...

Vote: Wisdom

Like what? At least tell us what so it doesn't look like shades.

Tbh, I think most of you are going with a volume tell or something, and since I haven't been able to sit the thread for a while, people are scumreading me because I feel different smh.

idgs to be yeeted, but it would make for a nice change if we can avoid a loose after chopping a scum D1 (which I am really tired of tbh)

[ladd]

i buy what rask is saying, i am back to them being a villager

[EnderWiggin]

Like what? At least tell us what so it doesn't look like shades.

Tbh, I think most of you are going with a volume tell or something, and since I haven't been able to sit the thread for a while, people are scumreading me because I feel different smh.

idgs to be yeeted, but it would make for a nice change if we can avoid a loose after chopping a scum D1 (which I am really tired of tbh)

Shade isn't me saying "I think this person I'm voting is wolfy because them saying 'waste a valuable day' feels like they're caring too much about if they specifically go over."

That's effectively an accusation coached in softer language.

[Cape90]

I'm ngl I saw the Suibian posts and was like "That's an awful lot of words to say 'I don't scumread anyone'."

If you have read my posts it's for similar reasons I have been townreading your posts

[Suibian]

oh and Suibian is back to being town





quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town



It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words





(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)

Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty



And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.



And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto

I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all

I’m on my phone so can’t cut this down, sorry. That makes sense, and sometimes I am swayed by other people’s words, especially when I’m feeling very unconfident about a read, think some of my reasoning is silly, and when it comes from someone I respect in general and their words make sense to me. It doesn’t mean I will for every read, but definitely for some. I can be quite waffly in general and go back and forth between things I’m not sure of.

[Raskolnikov]

I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post

IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"

Sorry for your not "very good" rand

Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?

You sound extremely uncomfortable

lol bub.

the "very good" means exactly that I was starting to worry about this slot because Taffy sounded tonally different from past games but I don't have to wonder about it now because they are selfresolving. "Very good" as in, with Syn kinda out of thde chopping block too, I just have to find 4 more villagers to get a game winning POE.

[Sleep]

just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points

- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning

- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig

- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests

- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people

- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me

- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure

[Sleep]

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy

- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point


unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now

[ladd]

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

i dont think i suggested you before cape turned on you fwiw

cape hasnt posted since i voted you



rest of your points seem reasonable


man if taffy doesnt post before eod...that's rough

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[Sleep]

ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.

wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote

unvote

[ladd]

ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.

wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote

unvote

man i am such a sucker lol

i wanna v read this post so bad



alrighty rask thx

Ender/cape as the team is kinda making ~everything make sense to me right now so I'll live in this world for a while. I just have 1 hung up

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[EnderWiggin]

Ender/cape as the team is kinda making ~everything make sense to me right now so I'll live in this world for a while. I just have 1 hung up

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I just wanna say this line is hilarious with what just happened.

[Suibian]

ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.

wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote

unvote

Kind of having a hard time seeing sleep!scum leaving the day without a vote somewhere.

[ladd]

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

again with the pocket

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[Jan]

- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests

To me, wisdom read as a villager for being non-apologetic and going against the grain early on.

Nobody has agreed with that at all so I am willing to let it go. Just curious if you think that speaks to wisdoms alignment.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

HYPE!

I suppose I don't need to play. No one does. Rask got this!

The initial post is basically begging for heat and someone to jump on it.
It is a clear joke but so easy to get called out on the lazy part of it esp if you don't plan to deliver afterwards.

I hereby proclaim that both Rask and Syn are town!
Reason: Gut instinct

My opinion is that last time I opened thread we were still in rvs ^^ I'm waiting until the game actually starts before I start reading people!

Again a post that is so unashamed but invites people to turn up the heat.

Gut wolves
Jan
Syn

I hope you can steer me the right way if I'm wrong here friend!

Syn is more jokey than snarky which I tend to find wolfy from him
Jan is only gut, didn't vibe with how easy he called me town, but I haven't actually tried to read him properly in years (I think we've only played mashes) so I have no clue.

Wisdom afterwards giving reads but important to note is that those reads were unique at the time this is not the easy out of following the consensus.
And both of those takes feel believable tbh.

[Syn]

taffy where is u

[ladd]

wrt Wisdom -

I don't think they have done anything unfakeable at all but I also don't really think they have been particularly wolfy?

I kinda liked how they went super quickly from having me as a villa read:

So upon catch upon I grew confident on two more town reads:

Suibian - I think it's self explanatory, from my PoV the way he's written those walls are calm and transparent, focused without the agenda. Think he's bleeding town, and trying to figure out what it means for cape bringing it up first (probably nothing, slight plus?).

Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).

Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.

to this below:

Nice, Jan is also town.

[Taffy, Syn, Suibian, Jan, Ladd?] town

Least confident on ladd now that I see some objectively towny stuff but I can keep him in the box for now!

5 to go, who even plays this game?

[Visor, Ender, Sleep, Cape, Rask]

If I can get 1 more town read (hoping one of them got docced) and decide where to vote this game is probably cracked! But that's in a bit.

Will try to be available for 9 hours if someone wanna vibe! Meanwhile it's time get out of bed ^^

feels like the classic paranoia that sadly villagers seem to have towards me lol

I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw

@Wisdom How did you come up with these 3 names?

[Cape90]

just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points

- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning

- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig

- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests

- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people

- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me

- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure

it just felt like something I had to do since I literally made my initial notes at like 2am and lazily

[Cape90]

- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people

In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

[Suibian]

In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

Yeah, I would agree with this except with Ender giving Visor the bp vest, he had to change the read he had from the day before and that's difficult to do. It's like when someone has a cop clear on someone they previously suspected and have to explain their turn around; it's often sloppy.

[Raskolnikov]

In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

Also it is definatly striking me that you have been steadily calling my posts out, just to borrow some arguments later on. Well actually I didn't articulate it iirc but that was still clear enough, so like, that's wolfy Cape. (you can change your mind ofc, but that's still wolf agenda :p)

PS: note this read is obsolete and, as Suibian posted, the turnaround awkwardness from Visor was to be expected considering N1 events

[ladd]

vote:sleep

gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time

i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong

personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them

[Visor]

vote: sleep