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ladd 10:34 11-01-2023

i really dont think rask is posting like a wolf with TMI today

assuming visor was indeed the n1 nk, its hard for a wolf to say the stuff rask is saying so openly lol

Raskolnikov 10:36 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by ladd:
visor already claims it got triggered so here is what (most likely) happened n1:

- wolves shot visor

- ender gave vest to visor and vest got broken

- syn shot monty

The only viable alternative is that wolves shot monty and visor is claiming his vest got broken to earn lack clear status but..like why would wolves shoot monty there

(also fwiw i think 3 villa PRs is perfectly plausible in a closed 13er)

(Jan saying it can't be broken the same night was just an assumption i believe)

@Jan where are you at in terms of reads?

exactly, I was at this scenario yesterday (bolded one). but like why is Ender doubting Visor here and not yesterday? what new info did he get? Taffy flipping vt doesn't change things. Also the prob of Monty being the nk is lie very slim. like idk what this is all about.

Well I just checked and I misread Jan's #756. in that case nvm my rant. Taffy still goat. I should get another coffee tbh

Raskolnikov 10:38 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
exactly, I was at this scenario yesterday (bolded one). but like why is Ender doubting Visor here and not yesterday? what new info did he get? Taffy flipping vt doesn't change things. Also the prob of Monty being the nk is lie very slim. like idk what this is all about.

Well I just checked and I misread Jan's #726. in that case nvm my rant. Taffy still goat. I should get another coffee tbh

EBWOP

Raskolnikov 11:18 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Cape90:
Well I had enough game sense to think that JOAT claim was hugely sketch coming from Taffy

What I didn't know was Taffy was just GOATed with the sauce

Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh.

Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r

ladd 12:17 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh

Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r

I mean cape also said yesterday at eod that he wasnt sure about taffy being real so it adds up. I dont really think thats wolfy from cape

ladd 12:59 11-01-2023

i am re reading all the game from the start cause I just don't feel happy about how game is playing out tbh. feels like we are all missing something

so far my main takeway from d1 is that i am prob never lunching Jan and that suibian vote was actually pretty crucial in making barto go over and the other wagons were v/v so while yes bussing a 1 posting wolf is obviously in anyone's range, it was a somewhat unnecessay buss that late into the day:

Originally Posted by Gemma:
Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147), Sleep (#229), Ender (#256)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11), Monty (#274)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232)

Originally Posted by Suibian:
vote barto

with 11 mins left to eod

rask d1 not great. sleep d1 not great

visor pushed on mostly just ender/wisdom but he did have the tiebreaker vote on monty so wolves prob thought he was lock clear+he is visor and thats why they tried to nk him i assume. Also reading monty posting there is like no way he was the nk imo (sorry)

ladd 13:01 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Suibian:
I expected there to be more posts to get rid of the tie. Do you guys really want to keep the tie?

did you vote barto just to tie wagons and see what happened or was there something more?

can you talk to me about your vote on barto at eod?

Visor 13:03 11-01-2023

Vote: rask

ladd 13:07 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Visor:
monty is not the kill i expected but it makes sense i guess

Originally Posted by Visor:
Vote: rask

ya i was thinking about this too contrary to what i just posted lol

i re skimmed their last v game on here (achro/boq/vugard wolf team game) and man they were so much more obviously a villager

i am ~completely at peace with having Jan as a villager so if anyone needs help getting there i can go more in depth on this read (later tho, now I wanna focus on reading)

ladd 13:14 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Sup guys.

Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious

I exist and have thoughts.

One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.

Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.

why was taffy unvoting you hilarious?

red - you saying you need to re read/recheck was a big theme in your d2 posting...feels kinda wolfy

cape entry on the thread still reads fine to me. prob not w/w with rask too

Visor 13:14 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by ladd:
ya i was thinking about this too contrary to what i just posted lol

i re skimmed their last v game on here (achro/boq/vugard wolf team game) and man they were so much more obviously a villager

i am ~completely at peace with having Jan as a villager so if anyone needs help getting there i can go more in depth on this read (later tho, now I wanna focus on reading)

yeah this is what it is coming down to for me

every time i read one of rasks posts, the words are fine, competent, but you're right that theres just no 'showing' of being a villager

(re the other post stuck in your multiquote - i was trying to keep up pretenses of not knowing i had been shot)

still think shooting me is weird if i am pushing ender/wisdom v/v (that said, if taffy flipped joat i would've turboed ender lol, killing me is just weird and sounds the kind of fancy play ender would think up)

like yes i have last minute vote going for me, but its not like my reads were good lol

wya on cape and sleep

Visor 13:19 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by :
Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

i mean rask villager just literally never says this

i don't think i've seen anything remotely close to it before lol

Visor 13:20 11-01-2023

that just has the feeling of wolf making posts

ladd 13:23 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Visor:
Visor

Totally not Taffy - claimed pr
Syn - claimed pr

EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf

Jan - possibility of bussing inactive partner, but otherwise decent
Suibian - i can see a wolf with jan world where tehy bus inactive partner and ride cred, but otherwise, did not need to make the vote at eod to put barto in danger

ladd - voted barto, but also possibly likeliest busser? idk
Cape90 - haven't minded his posting so far tbh

Raskolnikov
Sleep
Wisdom

is what i am left with, basically.

this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol

classic

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.

this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo

like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them

rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore

will keep reading later

Visor 13:26 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by :
this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol

classic

every goddamn game lmao

i think i'm fine with rask/sleep dying for now, ye

Visor 13:29 11-01-2023

idk man i just don't think its gonna be anyone else but those two, teams don't make sense

i think wolves shot me to dodge a doctor, in hindsight

ladd 13:29 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Visor:

wya on cape and sleep

I like cape for villa more than sleep, i think

i have never been a good cape reader but i have been skimming a couple of wolf games on MU (i havent tried this hard in a ww game in a while lmao) and he is even more awkward as a wolf

Here I can mostly follow his thoughts and his jumping around and besides his terrible post about ender yday I have never really been pinged by him

sleep is a borderline impossible read for me this game cause they just don't feel very into it. So by default they are kinda the jolly when I have other people I feel good about being villa. Not a big fan of their pushes d1 (mostly the syn push) but thats all I got

otoh some posts make me think if they would really play it like this as a wolf so i dunno

Visor 13:39 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by ladd:
I like cape for villa more than sleep, i think

i have never been a good cape reader but i have been skimming a couple of wolf games on MU (i havent tried this hard in a ww game in a while lmao) and he is even more awkward as a wolf

Here I can mostly follow his thoughts and his jumping around and besides his terrible post about ender yday I have never really been pinged by him

sleep is a borderline impossible read for me this game cause they just don't feel very into it. So by default they are kinda the jolly when I have other people I feel good about being villa. Not a big fan of their pushes d1 (mostly the syn push) but thats all I got

otoh some posts make me think if they would really play it like this as a wolf so i dunno

yeah that ender post is so out of touch i almost want to call it villagery because nobody would actively choose to post that esp in a high leverage situation lol

and i think i agree on cape being more villa than sleep

if 1/2 of rask/sleep are wolves, where are you looking to after that?

ladd 13:42 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Jan:
My big question is just who is afraid of visor?

Like honestly?

Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.

And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...

Who is afraid of visor?

jan forever lack clear lmao

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Why is it pragmatic voting me? I mean trust your own judgement smh.

Sheeping wolves and potatoes is not your fate frienda.

Anyway, legacy.

Yeet into Wis, Cape, Sleep. If it fails, turbo Jan (the timing was great for an hellbus of a no-show Jan)

rask was the top wagon tied with wisdom for (at least) last 10ish mins of the day but insteaf of fighting back and showing that villagery fire they deicde to just wait :00 and post a legacy post (idk if they were close to cap or not tbf)

and wy didnt they evne self pres?

i dunno, if I was wagoned at 3/3 with 10 mins at eod and a villager, thats def not how i'd act

ladd 13:47 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Visor:
yeah that ender post is so out of touch i almost want to call it villagery because nobody would actively choose to post that esp in a high leverage situation lol

and i think i agree on cape being more villa than sleep

if 1/2 of rask/sleep are wolves, where are you looking to after that?

cape/suibian

everyone else is villa imo

if rask is w, i think cape looks really good with 1) pushing them after 1 wolf already down and 2) having the vote there in 4-3 wagons wisdom-rask. Need to check if it's lack clear levelz tho

if sleep is w, could be either:

- sleep/suibian: theoretically possible but feels like sleep would try harder if this was the team. Just based on a gut feeling

- sleep/cape: possible afaict, if the team was barto+2 people who replaced out thats really rough

Gemma 13:47 11-01-2023

Votal 3.0

Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Visor (#758)
Sleep (1) - Cape (#736)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Visor 13:49 11-01-2023

i def voted rask

Vote: Raskol

ladd 13:49 11-01-2023

@Cape whats your read on rask now?

why do you have me as a villager?

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ladd 13:52 11-01-2023

Suibian has some really nice posts and that vote on barto going for them so they are def the last one i'd look at right now out of the rask/sleep/cape/suibian group

sometimes I even feel i am being unfair to them and they should just be clear lol

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EnderWiggin 14:00 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
I was assuming that this meant you didn't give him a vest or it didn't trigger. Do you confirm I read it wrong, or?

I gave him a vest.

It was suggested Visor is canny enough to have claimed shot when he wasn't actually. I was entertaining the tinfoil as a thought.

EnderWiggin 14:03 11-01-2023

Someone said it in thread at EOD and I sat overnight like "Yes, Visor could've done that."

That post was written before Taffy flip was seen tho.

EnderWiggin 14:11 11-01-2023

Eh, kinda zoned out and I am that weird place where I thought I'd reached Raskol town overnight and now he seems to be the main sus so I feel off-kilter with thread.

I'm gonna come back in the morning.

Vote: Sleep

Need more info.

EnderWiggin 14:13 11-01-2023

I reread my own post and confused myself.

Something something I doubt my own reads and Raskol I was sure I was gonna settle on being town overnight but now I'm stuck in the mire again.

Anyway, need to actually bed.

EnderWiggin 14:14 11-01-2023

I still think I believe in my Sleep/Sui solve tho.

It's triple SSS. (Sleep/Sui Solve)

Raskolnikov 14:26 11-01-2023

Originally Posted by ladd:
why was taffy unvoting you hilarious?

red - you saying you need to re read/recheck was a big theme in your d2 posting...feels kinda wolfy

cape entry on the thread still reads fine to me. prob not w/w with rask too

Feels fairly self-explanatory. Like she unvoted me just to be called an outed wolf by 4 people within the minute (can't remember who, but at least Syn/Ender)

Feel that way if you like smh. It's just feel to me we got El Barto just by luck and noone has a real idea about what's going on. Didn't get around to do what I wanted D2, but I did enough to not vote Wisdom when she felt without agenda and lost itt at EOD tbh.

Syn is still town because he got it (posted something like "I don't want to have anything with Wisdom chop") but man this game is frustrating to me. (tunneled by Syn/Cape for objectively no reasons lol. Visor who is the closest thing to confirmed town is potatoing the thing etc...). Like I can tell you already I am the D3 and this game is nearly lost lol (I see no reevalution path for Syn/Cap at this point, and Jan/Suib will prolly sheep one of you/Visor). The only dude that made a based read on me so far is sheep when he posted that overexplaining was a town mark for me, and I can't tell if it's TMI or not so far (dw, I am including myself on the potatoe bowl)

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