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Suibian
So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?
I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.
I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.
Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.
I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.
I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.
I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.
Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.
I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.
cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.
yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.
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