Cereal killer mafia

[EnderWiggin]

My initial gut reaction is that I was right on Ladd in the first place.

Jan seems rand~ more likely to have kept Sui alive? I feel like Sui was well pocketed if Jan was actually wolf here.

[EnderWiggin]

The counterpoint wifom would be "But Jan saw me do exactly that earlier with my Sui tunnel and is banking on that."

[EnderWiggin]

I have but i dont see a reason (unless i missed it)

You are free to consiser me but when you come to the conclusion i am a wolf thats where i find it problematic cause

1) i have clearly shown all game i care about solving people and not just get mislunches

2) i have voted on both w wagons in close v/w wagons

3) sleep spewed me v



Fwiw i think you are the least likely wolf and have a post that should probably clear you

For me its between rask and jan

Ladd, can you talk about why you have been so vehement whenever anyone has accused of fosed you?

Even before sleep went over (Who you bank on having "spewed you v") you were very unhappy with my sus on you.

While I'm here can you talk about holding onto your thoughts until people brought you into discussion? I can understand holding off on the Sui town post but it felt like you were holding back all your thoughts until later and trying to work out what your goal was for it.

[EnderWiggin]

Woke up to pee and now my fucking adrenaline is raging..

Fuck this shit.

If Ladd switches on me then he is basically putting as wolf that thinks his final 3 is easier against me than Rask.

No ifs or butts about it.
That man has played enough games with me to know beyond the shadow of a fucking doubt that I am a villager in this game.
He has repeated it over and over again and there is no doubt in my mind that him switching now would only be because he is a wolf.

And if you want me to read back more just give me a better iso function to work with.

I voted Ladd because I wanted to see if I would get any reactions at all but this is a dead game and there is not much to do about it.

Anyways.
At least now we know why ender stayed alive.
I am doing my best to not be a condescending prick on that matter.

Will try to sleep again. Fuck pee and fuck adrenaline.
Fuck.

Hey Jan, want to talk about this post a little bit. I remember disliking it when I read over it after EOD but also wanted to come back to it now.

Can you talk about what you mean with "Ladd switching on you" meaning he thinks F3 is easier "against you"? Especially now in the context of today being that F3.

It felt like you were tunnelled on Rask until it was near EOD and then you weren't.

[EnderWiggin]

(Also if you are town I am sorry about my flip to sussing you I'm just trying the best with what I have.)

[Jan]

I was so fucking ready to give Tammy immunity and just let jesus take the wheel.

God damn it.

[Jan]

Hey Jan, want to talk about this post a little bit. I remember disliking it when I read over it after EOD but also wanted to come back to it now.

Can you talk about what you mean with "Ladd switching on you" meaning he thinks F3 is easier "against you"? Especially now in the context of today being that F3.

It felt like you were tunnelled on Rask until it was near EOD and then you weren't.

I was in bed and mistyped.

Wolf Ladd would have an easier time with Rask in f3 because Sui would be more likely on my side.
And you simply should not be here.

And his behaviour before EOD felt like he was giving himself room to switch without actually losing face.

I can get the post when on by pc. Should be on the last page anyway.

[Jan]

(Also if you are town I am sorry about my flip to sussing you I'm just trying the best with what I have.)

You don't know me and Ladd has a base style that reads very villagers as either alignment.
And you were correct not voting Rask.
Can't really blame you for that one.

[EnderWiggin]

And you simply should not be here.

I wish.

[Jan]

I had this whole speech in my head prepared telling Sui to either listen to her heart or listen to a bunch of dead clowns.

Was about to tell her that this is just a game and being wrong in final 3 would be fine.

And then vote Ladd and basically check out unless she asks me a question.

I even had a wonderful Ladd quote that I wanted to bring up where he says Sui and I are just always the same alignment.

And now I have to play the fucking game.

[EnderWiggin]

There's part of me that reads Ladd's sudden "I can clear Suibian" as an excuse to set her up to be the nk tonight.

[EnderWiggin]

Last night*

You know what I meant.

[Jan]

I wish.

Ladd told me 2 times that you should mechanically never be a wolf.
So technically I should be fine giving you immunity right now by voting Ladd?

I was just so fine to lose to Sui if we were all wrong on her and she pocketed me.
And losing to you would be based on a bad mech read.

But a part of me is inclined to ask for the fucking immunity myself.
Just because I am never keeping you alive.
On day fucking two I said Ladd/Sui/myself is the final 3 if the game is not over by then.
I am too arrogant to not listen to my own prediction if I have a fucking choice.

I hope you don't plan to show this to any children.

[Jan]

There's part of me that reads Ladd's sudden "I can clear Suibian" as an excuse to set her up to be the nk tonight.

I think everyone else had her as not a wolf.
There was no reason not to clear her.

I think if Ladd is the wolf he feels like he has an easier time convincing you to become his little Mogli-boy.
I just didn't think he would dare.

[Jan]

Leaving bed early. Brb.

[EnderWiggin]

Ladd told me 2 times that you should mechanically never be a wolf.
So technically I should be fine giving you immunity right now by voting Ladd?

I was just so fine to lose to Sui if we were all wrong on her and she pocketed me.
And losing to you would be based on a bad mech read.

But a part of me is inclined to ask for the fucking immunity myself.
Just because I am never keeping you alive.
On day fucking two I said Ladd/Sui/myself is the final 3 if the game is not over by then.
I am too arrogant to not listen to my own prediction if I have a fucking choice.

I hope you don't plan to show this to any children.

On one hand I'd be actually pretty annoyed if I got kept around to be voted out on F3.

On the other hand this is where I'd squint at the mech clears if one was alive too so I understand.

[EnderWiggin]

Also "I would never keep you alive if I was wolf" is such a wifom-able statement.

[Jan]

Final 3 is brought to you by:

Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie.
read by Steven Pacey.

I finished my other audiobook in time to start this one right now. It should be fitting for whatever is happening here.
Plus if you are into grim dark fantasy Abercrombie is maybe the best at it.

[Jan]

Also "I would never keep you alive if I was wolf" is such a wifom-able statement.

It is.
But I will not deny the truth.

Let me look up the two statements that are the reason why I as a wolf would always have kept sui in here. There are somewhere on d2 and d4 I believe so it might take a second :P

[Jan]

I am afraid that this game which feels competent and mostly fun will be a buzzkill because we find out the wolf-team basically didn't play d1.

Bart
sleep
cape

team would be heartbreaking in that regard.
sleep and cape did a good job afterwards tbh.


Visor
EnderWiggin
Syn

Suibian
Ladd

Raskolnikov
Cape90

Sleep

Is where I am at.

Sleep and Cape have good toan going for them, but that is more based on playstyle than anything else.
Hard to see the difference between not really into it villa and wolf in a corner that has mostly given up in Sleeps behavior.

If the bottom 3 do not include 2 wolves then either mech is wrong (which I don't think is true) or there is an actual deep wolf.


I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.

I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.

In the end Laddd has been pushing me in the poe more slowly but I hinted about this always being the final 3 and I don't see a reason to not follow through.

(I had differen

Assuming the mech clears are true and my read on sui is correct then if ladd was a wolf then his partner is between sleep cape and you.
Easy math. No big surprise there.

And no I won't make a town case for ladd sorry.
I think he is a villa but he is also the one person in my core I can be wrong on.
He would be just locked in as villa but his d1 vote on el barto has a chance of bussing.

But all that read comes down to for me is does this feel like solving ladd and do I see him being opportunistic or prepping any kills on villas.
And looking for quotes about something he does not do is kind of difficult, but I gave an example earlier about him not doubting me at all today.

These should be the quotes. In my head they were slightly more decisive, but the idea is still pretty much there.

[Jan]

here is the silly take of the day:

jan/suibian FEEL the same alignment to me, just their dynamic and how they are playing with each other feels like either it's 2 villagers who found each other or they are (somehow) both wolves


w/v feels weird

And this is the post that I would have nailed Ladd with if it was f3 between sui ladd and myself.

(easier to search because same alignment is a rare wording in this game :D )

[Jan]

My only little holdback in regards to Ender right now is setup-based.

1-shot vig
a-shot vest

compliment each other very well regarding changing one kp from wolfside to village side.

Which if you assume 15 players mountainous as balanced would work for a 13-player game.


But it kind of gives the village 2 confirmed villagers, maybe 3. (that is if the village believes in claimed roles)
Which is a huge swing.
And I am unsure what the wolves would have as counterplay.
Nothing of use comes to mind because you really just use either 1-shot on n1 so rolecops and roleblocks are basically useless.

Gemma has played games under Eidos/Voxxs wing for a while and Voxx really enjoys the odd wolf-doc in his tiny setups.

Adding the vig still moves 1 kp overall to the village side.
The vest from a wolf role is only for playmaking.


But like - why would anyone kill tammy n2?
The wolves know how strong their power is and visor confirmed the existence of both sig as well as ender (not alignment ofc).
If both of them are villagers which wolf thinks that tammys claim is not fps?

Wolf ladd would need to be an actual powerhouse role to think tammy is the right kill.


This has been fucking me for days and if this is me being an idiot and losing the game for the village I am truly sorry, but I need to talk it through and the only person I can talk it through is the fucking main wolf candidate @ladd .

(Sorry Ender unless you have a genius idea for why you are always real this little part is something Ladd and I have to chew through trying to clear or condemn you based on it)

[EnderWiggin]

I don't have much I can say tbh. I feel like "Vesting and shooting someone N1" isn't something I'd do as wolf but also you don't know me so eh.

Also given both Syn and I are 1-shots and gave that away I feel like Taffy as a kill makes sense from either of you if you wanted to avoid any chance of surviving too long. (Killing Taffy leaves alive enough people who would die over you to reach F3)

But neither of those are slam-dunks. My job is to keep solving and work out who correctly to vote. And then convince who-ever is the town of you to vote with me.

And it's my fault I've been lazily expecting to die tbh.

[Jan]

I don't have much I can say tbh. I feel like "Vesting and shooting someone N1" isn't something I'd do as wolf but also you don't know me so eh.

Also given both Syn and I are 1-shots and gave that away I feel like Taffy as a kill makes sense from either of you if you wanted to avoid any chance of surviving too long. (Killing Taffy leaves alive enough people who would die over you to reach F3)

But neither of those are slam-dunks. My job is to keep solving and work out who correctly to vote. And then convince who-ever is the town of you to vote with me.

And it's my fault I've been lazily expecting to die tbh.

Yeah that is why I am saying that is something Ladd and I have to talk about and be sure.


It is very much a thunderdome between us and you are just clear or we think you are the wolf based on mechanics and both vote you.

And I am very aware that me putting this out there is you are a villager fucks up my position in a possible thunderdome that follows.
But it is final 3 and I am simply not willing to lose because my paranoia was correct.

[Jan]

Vesting and shooting someone n1 is a really great play if you know what is happening next.

It is an odd play for you to do n1 without the knowledge of the moving parts.

If you are wolf it has to be a hail marry desperation move.

Votal 1.7 - EoD1

Monty (4) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185), Ender (#299)
Barto (4) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175), Suibian (#277), Visor (#298)
Wisdom (2) - Sleep (#229), Monty (#299)
Rask (1) - Syn (#279)
Syn (1) - Taffy (289)



El Barto has been yeeted. Flip incoming.

You are the last voter on monty the cw to the d1 wolf.
Which in your defense was always the vote you were going for that day you were just being silly until then.

Vote: Monty

Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming

As wolf with sleep and barto on your team and knowing you will get some heat (and you got forced to claim d2 which means it was the perfect play in hindsight as either alignment) going for a weird hail marry is somewhat reasonable.
The problem is that you have to find a way to stay alive until f3 and nobody sussing you out for it.

Which is a fairly hard prediction to make n1 when you take that action.

This is not helping me as much as I was hoping it would.

[Jan]

Why do I have to be the one doing the due diligence in final 3?

Why can't you be a proper pr and just die in the night?

This is either the biggest waste of my fucking time or the only way for us to win the game.
And this game felt like it should have been won days ago.


Do you want to know the worst part?

All of this explains :

Who shoots visor?
It was never about visor and always a play and everyone knows he is the right person to get played.

[Jan]

I love you visor and you know this, but this is too funny to not bring up.

[Jan]

But also Ladd shoots visor because Ladd is a natural-born killer coward.

*shrug*

[ladd]

I was so fucking ready to give Tammy immunity and just let jesus take the wheel.

God damn it.

I was actually gonna snap tammy over you after the last post you made lmao


Now i am just confused



Back to sleep

[ladd]

If jan just kills ender in the night he probably wins?