Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
My only little holdback in regards to Ender right now is setup-based.

1-shot vig
a-shot vest

compliment each other very well regarding changing one kp from wolfside to village side.

Which if you assume 15 players mountainous as balanced would work for a 13-player game.


But it kind of gives the village 2 confirmed villagers, maybe 3. (that is if the village believes in claimed roles)
Which is a huge swing.
And I am unsure what the wolves would have as counterplay.
Nothing of use comes to mind because you really just use either 1-shot on n1 so rolecops and roleblocks are basically useless.

Gemma has played games under Eidos/Voxxs wing for a while and Voxx really enjoys the odd wolf-doc in his tiny setups.

Adding the vig still moves 1 kp overall to the village side.
The vest from a wolf role is only for playmaking.


But like - why would anyone kill tammy n2?
The wolves know how strong their power is and visor confirmed the existence of both sig as well as ender (not alignment ofc).
If both of them are villagers which wolf thinks that tammys claim is not fps?

Wolf ladd would need to be an actual powerhouse role to think tammy is the right kill.


This has been fucking me for days and if this is me being an idiot and losing the game for the village I am truly sorry, but I need to talk it through and the only person I can talk it through is the fucking main wolf candidate @ladd .

(Sorry Ender unless you have a genius idea for why you are always real this little part is something Ladd and I have to chew through trying to clear or condemn you based on it)
Its just that for ender to be a wolf he d need to have

A) shot and vested visor on the same night

B) village only has 1 pr and wopves have tge exact counter to it (doesnt seem impossible i guess?)