Apologies to the players. The vest role was not intended as a kind of fakeout or somesuch with the idea of fooling town into thinking a wolf was mech clear. In that regard, I didn't anticipate villagers having so little paranoia about a claimed vestgiver not dying and I think I put more on town than was fair or reasonable (tbh I was more worried about cases like a potential f5 where the vestgiver might be able to leverage their claim into winning the game on the day without having to survive a night, or both roles alive+unclaimed until the day before f5). I don't think I could have ever predicted the exact things that happened this game to create a gamestate where Ender wasn't being sussed for staying alive through 2, 3, 4 nks, but it's still me who put the role in the game so the responsibility is entirely mine. Needless to say it's not a role I'll be using again.
I do think village could have approached the claim from much more of a 'is vesting/instapopping n1 something Ender would do/had motivation to do as a wolf' angle than a 'where does this role fit in the setup' angle,' as I think the latter is sort of just wifom outgessing the mod type stuff whereas the former actually had a lot pointing towards it being the case and is more something you can actually think about logically and come to a real conclusion on.
Jan's reasoning in f3 re: the role/setup was super good and accurate, and was the type of post I expected him and maybe others to make much sooner in the game. Obviously that didn't happen. I think if the fakeclaim doesn't happen day 2 then Ender's play doesn't pay off the way it did - Syn likely doesn't claim that dayphase whereas Ender is probably still forced to claim, has no cover from other villagers and is just outed essentially the next dayphase. I think in other worlds where the wolfteam is more active, villagers have a much easier time world building, reading for unalignments, etc and probably end up with much more pointing at vestgiver being a wolf than they did than this game where Ender was largely solo. But ultimately the problem is with the role imo and if it wasn't the fakeclaim in this game it coud've been something else leading to a similar situation for town and that's my bad.
All that said, thank you everyone keeping the game fun and chill. I enjoyed the experience and most of you seemed to as well for the most part! Thanks to the subs, thanks to rask for helping with contacting folks, and most of all thanks to Cuth.
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