This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[Jan]

I'm conflicted on this thought because Jan wasn't on the baud vote at this time, and was on Cuth until the last second

Was a runaway wagon. A had planned to simply not vote at all if I could get away with it.
Then visor happened and sadness increased by 68%. (which is par for the course)

[Jan]

Yes, I am under the assumption 2 wolves > 3 wolves, mylo here would be wild

I wouldn't even humor any 3 wolf worlds. Makes no sense unless all of the living villagers have some power.

[Jan]

I could maybe see Cuth/Visor as more suspicious though in general

I don't really think visor first busses like that on d1.
Continues it on d2.

Just to turn around EoD2 for a fake rescue my partner play. Baudib was almost always dying there and he just risks all his cred by being quirky.


To me Cuth was an interesting choice because I had Visor and Baudib as likely unaligned and was not sold on baudib always being the wolf.
So getting some reactions from a cuth push was just useful and had a decent chance to be a hit.

With everyone else being busy watching handegg there was no real point to it anyway tbh.

[Totally not Taffy]

@Cape90 So it's the start of D2, Baudib has just killed Dyachei, which he must have known would look bad for him. He starts solving and doesn't mention Cuth at all (and since those are "solving to town" posts that means Cuth should be in his PoE. Sort-of confirmed by his reply to Benneh's question here:

talk about cuth baud

why's he missin from your lists

Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.

But then later when he says he wants to push in the Pzelda voters he picks Benneh instead even though Benneh was "V with concerns". I asked him about this

I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.

This is bad reasoning bc as wolf if you feel it coming that a LHF town is getting shrugyeeted D1 you stay off of that shit. It would really surprise me if both wolves were on the Pzelda wagon.

Final D1 tally:

pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib

Also combine this with your SoD reads:

I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.

The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.

Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible

Taffy V
Cape/Benneh both V with concerns
Jan is null but I doubt he kills Dya

Why are you not pushing Cuth? @baudib1

which he never directly answers, though he does come with this:

You know for some reason I thought Jan had voted for Zelda but he didn’t vote at all. It was Cuth. They both mind occupy the same area in my head - kinda null, getting townresds for ??? reasons.

His EoD voting starts with Benneh, then Visor, and it isn't until Visor calls his bluff that he actually votes Cuth:

Vote: Nebjiamin

Vote: Visor

I think my reasons for lightly clearing him off the Zelda flip were probably wrong and dumb.

I am also just not convinced his confidence in the Cape V read is real, even if I do think Cape is V way more often than not.

Tbh baudib if you aren't a wolf I'd punt cuth into the sun

So if you vote there id consider it

vote: cuth

yolo

Hmmmm

Trusting Visor probably can’t go wrong amirite

Vote: Cuthillius

Baudib also made several posts mentioning Cuth in one breath as another player which is a thing wolves like to do with partners to spew them town:

Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!

Anyway I’ll just talk to myself as I try to figure this out and maybe come to a solve that’s correct in DVC. If this helps anyone later in the game at all it won’t be a total waste.

Jan: Can you elaborate on your read on Gemma?

Cape/Cuth: why do you V read each other so highly

Gemma: can tou explain your vote on Taffy?

Benneh/Cuth
Can you talk about your wolf game together? This is a fun post.

To be fair he does that with other ppl too though.

Anyway this is what I meant with that I thought they could be partnered, but perhaps it's too on the nose to be real.

[Totally not Taffy]

sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

Are you talking about the "town backup busdriver" joke or something else?

Also would appreciate your thoughts on the above.

Or anyone's really, but especially people who have a strong opinion on Cuth.

[Totally not Taffy]

damn its almost like i'm smart and allude to situations that would make wolves not consider me as a nk

like replying to this post !

i've read your iso.

gemma's post is clean af. if you're v i can see why you'd disagree but, uh, still a clean post!

"Clean" is a waffle word that has no relevant meaning in this context. Gemma likened Jan's v read on Baudib based on two shitposts to my v read which came much later in the game, then somehow concluded I wasn't allowed to scumread Jan for possible tmi. How is that clean?

How is misunderstanding and mocking my Pzelda read clean? How is contradicting herself with "Taffy townread Baudib all game" and "here she is considering wolf!Baudib worlds" clean?

You can say she had conviction in her reads, which would be a good argument for townreading Gemma, but none of it are good reasons to wolfread me. This was Gemma's first game with me, you know me a lot better. If I am scum you should be able to make your own case, or at the very least be able to refute my rebuttals of hers.

I am not annoyed about the scumread so much Benneh as the complete lack of effort you're putting into it.

[Totally not Taffy]

you know, this feels really fake so idk maybe it's just cuth

I kinda TR Taffy's entrance today

This one was probably just a joke about the obvious Dyachei => Baudib implications I'm not sure that's AI.

But thank you Cape I think you've got good points. Which is annoying bc I'm now townreading everybody.

[Totally not Taffy]

I could see what Visor did yesterday when he was jumping on voting Cuth day 2 as trying to distract from baudib



To me I read as this as Visor thinking Cuth isn't paired with baudib

So it mildly worries me that he's voting there today



though he popped in to say this, and... I don't really get the argument here? I thought the EOD was fine... kinda panicky, eh

I read it that way too at the time, but you can also interpret it not as "if you're town then Cuth is scum" but rather "if you're town I'm willing to work with you and consider voting someone else together"

I'm hoping he'll explain the EoD thing.

[Totally not Taffy]

I find this VC interesting

Also it ack's that i voted... i never unvoted but whatever

Raskolnikov went back and edited the votecounts, it makes EoD harder to interpret. I don't think your vote was counted there originally.
@Raskolnikov next time maybe have them side by side?

[Totally not Taffy]

If the night kills were very much about killing the people who have suspected wolves, signs point to Taffy being wolf, as they had pointed to baud after the dyachei NK

This is the most incriminating quote I could find on that

For me the Gemma kill is setting up for a Jan/Benneh/Visor F3 with you as tonight's NK and me/Cuth the expected vig shot depending on who dies today.

Problem is I have reasons to townread all three of them.

[nebjiamn]

sorry i went and did stuff this evening

before doing work my answer would be ignoring pr stuff for the moment visor/jan over you/cape/taffy in that order?

which is interesting

i'm surprised by your answer

what are your reasonings behind clearing jan and not clearing visor

there's just a microtell of the way visor cleared cape for some post that i feel is wolfy on balance

he called some cape post the most villagery thing ever and it doesn't register that way for me

i think he's pretty villagery still though and the wolf is in the other part of my poe

or i miscleared someone (elite logic i know)

[nebjiamn]

as for jan maybe i'm giving him too much credit actually

ill sort him out if in eed to i guss

[Visor]

Are you talking about the "town backup busdriver" joke or something else?

Also would appreciate your thoughts on the above.

Or anyone's really, but especially people who have a strong opinion on Cuth.

just overreaction to a vote that you had to realise likely meant nothing

but i might vote elsewhere, idk yet bronanas

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount


Taffy(2): Benneh, Cuth
Cuth(1): Visor



EOD in 3 hours


PS: Taffy, yes I should have done that. All edited tallies just have Cape's vote on baudib added though (so u can figure out the old ones easily ;) )

[Visor]

vote cuth

thx

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote: Cuth

[Visor]

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh

i mean or we're just off

or this is tense

but this doesn't really feel tense it just feels like people are having a hard time posting

i uh

really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here

baud can you talk about where your head's at in the game

i feel like you were around a decent amount earlier and then tailed off and have been posting here and there but there's no meat on the bones

why do you think gemma's a wolf? who are your top town reads? what do you think about the push on you?

baud's reentrance was a bit uncanny valley idk how to feel about it

why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now

baudib only gets heat because dya and i make him a potential wagon

cuth was happy to push forward on pzelda and lock us into it

idk fellas none of this shit means anything to me

just looks like going through motions, when they couldve voted baudib even just to see what wagons would result but they were firm on pzelda and i dont even recall why beyond the obvious of which other villagers expressed reluctance but cuth never wavered

if i am wrong, cest la vie

[Cuthillius]

what up party people

[Totally not Taffy]

what up party people

we're pod racing

[Cuthillius]

visor, that's it? big shrug

i didn't like baud's posts, but i thought they weren't particularly offensive, and i didn't really resonate strongly with anything either you or dya were pushing there, nor did i really trust you specifically (because that felt like an easy place to push and if pzelda/baud were v/v objectively a great play for wolves)

i would have been fine with him dying and i did consider voting, but pzelda had actively bad posts and also wasn't playing the game at all

and this is a 10er

and baud being v would have been much worse for the game than pzelda v, which i think has been born out by the fact that we're in a pretty decent spot right now? even if nobody has seemed to give a shit most of this phase (myself included)

[Cuthillius]

i'm frankly kinda pissed about you saying you think i'm a wolf and then not posting for 24 hours

it's bad and irresponsible and wie gesagt i think we're in a fine place but not if you yeet me lol

[Cuthillius]

there's just a microtell of the way visor cleared cape for some post that i feel is wolfy on balance

he called some cape post the most villagery thing ever and it doesn't register that way for me

i think he's pretty villagery still though and the wolf is in the other part of my poe

or i miscleared someone (elite logic i know)

in what world do you think he busses baud like he did here and then expects to win in f3 after not being nked like three times (if sleep in mylo)

[nebjiamn]

in what world do you think he busses baud like he did here and then expects to win in f3 after not being nked like three times (if sleep in mylo)

in the world its not taffy or cape or you or jan i guess

[Cuthillius]

also i maintain that the tenor in thread was weird late d1 and is indicative of a wolf team that for whatever reason was sitting on their hands? i guess i haven't really reread it in the context of baud w but it felt like everyone was sitting around in a circle waiting to see what would happen but without deeply caring about what would happen

[nebjiamn]

also i maintain that the tenor in thread was weird late d1 and is indicative of a wolf team that for whatever reason was sitting on their hands? i guess i haven't really reread it in the context of baud w but it felt like everyone was sitting around in a circle waiting to see what would happen but without deeply caring about what would happen

i think mostly people aren't caring to try much itg

[Cuthillius]

For me the Gemma kill is setting up for a Jan/Benneh/Visor F3 with you as tonight's NK and me/Cuth the expected vig shot depending on who dies today.

Problem is I have reasons to townread all three of them.

taffy can you talk about why cape would be tonight's nk in your mind?

[Totally not Taffy]

Cuth if I flip town who is the scummiest person here?

[Cuthillius]

i think mostly people aren't caring to try much itg

ye but i feel like that is meaningful worldswise

[Totally not Taffy]

in the world its not taffy or cape or you or jan i guess

Why do you think you couldn't win a cross against Visor?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth if I flip town who is the scummiest person here?

i don't feel comfortable answering this question without doing more work