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[nebjiamn]

eh i had it in my head pzelda was c4 so nevermind it probly doesn't mean anything

[Totally not Taffy]

Taffy: "please make rvs interesting"
Cape: "here's my comparative study of Benneh and Dyachei's reads on me through the ages complete with references and infographics"

[Totally not Taffy]

First impressions:

1. Visor: trying to pocket me by actually reading one of my posts tsk tsk - null

2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w

3. Baudib: I've agreed with everything Baudib has said so far - lean v

4. Gemma: I'm not voting Gemma D1 in her first game here, if she's a wolf she'll still be a wolf tomorrow and we might get spew - null

5. Dyachei: refusing to read Cape so early was fine, the reason meh, p#86 was overly defensive what with calling Cape's post "a case" and "a push" when he wasn't voting them yet, and their only other read is also Cape-related which shows a very narrow focus - lean w

6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null

7. Cape: this is familiar!Cape, and not having been snowed yet I want to trust that wolf!Cape will feel different - lean v

8. Cuthillius: leaning v bc of how he interacted with my first post and then lost interest, wolves tend to love making chitchat with me SoD to show how comfortable they are in the thread - lean v

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

[Jan]

2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w

Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.

I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.

the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.


And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.

Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.

Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.

The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.


I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

[Totally not Taffy]

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

Explain this please. You made that readslist after I had left the thread, in my first serious post back I show I've read it and have incorporated it in my read on you. By your own admission, as the first person. How is that not interacting with it?

This is also the first time you've given your explanation/microreads, so I'm at a loss how I supposedly decided to ignore content previously not available to me.

[Jan]

Explain this please. You made that readslist after I had left the thread, in my first serious post back I show I've read it and have incorporated it in my read on you. By your own admission, as the first person. How is that not interacting with it?

This is also the first time you've given your explanation/microreads, so I'm at a loss how I supposedly decided to ignore content previously not available to me.

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

[dyachei]

I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.

Taffy I'm always defensive and you've seen that in previous games we've played because it has happened on the org

Gemma is actually wolfy. Her pushes and thoughts are like surface level while there are deeper things to look at. Including busy work but that read on cape feels like tmi defense of a villager.

[Totally not Taffy]

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

Thanks for the explanations. Fwiw I probably would have asked about it had I been in the thread when you posted it.
My main conclusion is that you are not w/w with Visor.

[Gemma]

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

tbf it's a readlist on page 0

i did respond to it though!

[Gemma]

Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.

I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.

the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.


And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.

Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.

Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.

The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.


I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

villagery

[nebjiamn]

6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null

how is that a defense of dya? i'm just sick and tired of everyone assuming we have instant ramen reads on each other or insight into every little micropost just because we are good friends and someone poking at stuff that isn't relevant just makes the game annoying because usually when either of us has a read on eachother we will out it or ask others for help

[Totally not Taffy]

how is that a defense of dya? i'm just sick and tired of everyone assuming we have instant ramen reads on each other or insight into every little micropost just because we are good friends and someone poking at stuff that isn't relevant just makes the game annoying because usually when either of us has a read on eachother we will out it or ask others for help

You're responding to Cape's wallpost where he's scumreading Dyachei (cut down to what's relevant to my point)

Dunno if I should be concerned about dyachei having 0 comment on benneh's #26

Been unsuccessful with trying to find turbos we shared though, which would maybe be more of an apt comparison just because of how early it is into this game.

Okay whatever, so they found me scummy in a completely different game state when it was literally day 2 at that point and a lot more has come out. But this hedginess doesn't resonate with what I have seen from them, and I am curious about benneh's take on that since both of them have hydra'd multiple times together.

i don't have an opinion on dya not having an opinion on you yet. i'm not sure why they should other than you mentioning them not responding to #26 but i don't really know if they would anyway. we are good friends but not attached at the hip--they don't highly investigate everythhing i do, nor I them, and especially not in the first couple dozen posts of the game

I'm reading this as you telling Cape it's unreasonable of him to expect Dyachei to have commented on your post (a sentiment I agree with btw) which feels like a defense to me. As in, you don't have a read on Dyachei yourself, but you think Cape's reason for scumreading them is far-fetched. Which I see as a subtle defense.

Don't let it irritate you Benneh.

[dyachei]

I don't need to comment on Ben's post because we have before and it's always the same back and forth about it. There's no point and it's probably because we know each other well

[nebjiamn]

You're responding to Cape's wallpost where he's scumreading Dyachei (cut down to what's relevant to my point)





I'm reading this as you telling Cape it's unreasonable of him to expect Dyachei to have commented on your post (a sentiment I agree with btw) which feels like a defense to me. As in, you don't have a read on Dyachei yourself, but you think Cape's reason for scumreading them is far-fetched. Which I see as a subtle defense.

Don't let it irritate you Benneh.

semantics, but me telling cape i don't believe something is algnment indicative for dya and explaining why isn't defense -- and the reply is from a direct question cape had: "and I am curious about benneh's take on that since both of them have hydra'd multiple times together."

one informs the other -- i had no opinion and explained why -- you calling it defense is a bit silly imo

[Gemma]

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

why is contradictory wolfy

[Gemma]

actually the first half is villagery the second half isn't

[baudib1]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

[nebjiamn]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

why not

[Cape90]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

what do you mean by that?

[Totally not Taffy]

Everyone just pretended that Visor wasn’t outed so …. OK I guess?

tbh I thought you were joking / fishing for reactions when you called him outed, what do you think he did beforehand that was particularly AI in your opinion?

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

He was very uncharitable to Wisdom last game where they were both town. I don't think it's AI tbh.

Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!

How because I missed it.

@baudib1

[Cape90]

actually the first half is villagery the second half isn't

didn't respond to this because i don't get it

[baudib1]

what do you mean by that?

I guess I’m leaning toward he YOLOsd a V read on you and then when he realized the reasons behind it were wrong he decided to keep it instead of rescinding.

I would definitely be charitable as a wolf?

Oh ok

[Visor]

didn't respond to this because i don't get it

I can retire from ww

I have found it

The most villagery post of all time

Congrats cape

[Gemma]

2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w

3. Baudib: I've agreed with everything Baudib has said so far - lean v

?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this

it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0

"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild

you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it

4. Gemma: I'm not voting Gemma D1 in her first game here, if she's a wolf she'll still be a wolf tomorrow and we might get spew - null

5. Dyachei: refusing to read Cape so early was fine, the reason meh, p#86 was overly defensive what with calling Cape's post "a case" and "a push" when he wasn't voting them yet, and their only other read is also Cape-related which shows a very narrow focus - lean w

6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null

7. Cape: this is familiar!Cape, and not having been snowed yet I want to trust that wolf!Cape will feel different - lean v

8. Cuthillius: leaning v bc of how he interacted with my first post and then lost interest, wolves tend to love making chitchat with me SoD to show how comfortable they are in the thread - lean v

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo

also the pzelda read is something

Because wolves sometimes pretend to have one attitude that they think is towny while their actions betray a different one. Here hypothetically it would have been "I don't want to read = look at me not being very invested in this game" in opposition with "making game-related posts instead of rvs shitposting = actually I do care about what's happening". Ofc him not being here supports the former and means the following posts were just "trying to get into the game and failing".

this was pzelda's post:

Hello,
Not in mood for reading.

pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that


taffys been v reading baudib all game

During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.

I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.

Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.

I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
@dyachei

her baudib read is levels of wonky to me

its out of proportion to what baudib has actually done in a way that i think feels forced

for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo

i don't think it fits the bill of a villager with a real read that they're torn about

it looks even worse if baudib flips w (and i currently think he will)

the rest of her posts would just be quoting them saying wolfy tone

/39

[Totally not Taffy]

Not fully caught up just glanced at things while scrolling. I think it's Gemma/Jan atm.

Gemma bc I found Dyachei's comment about her being just a wolf more convincing than their arguments against Baudib, so if we're sheeping their corpse today that's where I'd want to go.

Jan bc I found his treatment of Visor D1 scummy (case to come) and that would also explain Gemma's pushing me today when I was pretty much the only one who defended her yesterday, as well as him not voting EoD while she was a wagon.

[Totally not Taffy]

Also I had questions for ppl yesterday and the only one who answered iirc was Dyachei so if you could please check your pings.

Except Benneh I forgot to add a ping to his.

Also @nebjiamn why did you not vote Gemma EoD after casing her during the day?

[nebjiamn]

bcsuse Gemma got villagery and paella had 4 posts

eeird question when you agreed with my logic on voting Zelda out yesterday

[nebjiamn]

As for why paella and visor felt kinda paired, idk, was just agamestate read at the time and it felt v possivle

[Totally not Taffy]

Jan on Visor D1

Jan's initial micro/bullshit readslist does not have Visor, which is normal since he hadn't posted yet at the time. I'm quoting it here bc he refers to it later.

Cape90
baudib1

dyachei

Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn

Gemma

Cuthillius

Just putting this down for postgame.

capes post is a weird angle to take as a wolf, just kinad weird to read turbo games and come in post 1 not even checking out the vibe just going, here is my text wall of almost zero relevance, look upon my work and despair

benneh/taffy w/w book it

baudib v

dya mild v

cuth mild sk

Comes in late. Copies homework.
I name you the unruly teenager of the game.

Please wear this badge with pride.

He comments here on how similar their initial readslists are. It is shade disguised as a joke. Does not mention the absence of Gemma in Visor's reads (post 96), even though Gemma has posted sufficiently at this time for Benneh's case to come right after (post 110, with no posts by Gemma inbetween).

Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.

I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.

the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.


And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.

Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.

Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.

The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.


I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

More subtle shading of Visor's readslist: "You had 12 hours (and a lot of posts) more and yet your readslist is superficial bullshit". "Amusing" is just another "wofly weird". A town would just say this and attach a scumread, or not say it until they had an actual read. This here is an attempt to get others to sus Visor.

I don't really know right now.

One kill is boring
One kill I feel comes out of nowhere and is spearheaded by visor of all people.
And it is not even a cool cdf.

Visor pushing Baudib is a reason not to vote Baudib. It could be a very clunky defense of partner Baudib. My guess is that it's setting up to push Visor after Baudib flips town. If you really think Visor is that scummy, why not vote a counterwagon? Why not vote Visor? Baudib would have voted Visor, and I made a point of saying I'd considered it too. But no, Jan keeps his hands clean.

Feedback welcome, especially if you still think Visor is scum @baudib1.

[Totally not Taffy]

?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this

it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0

"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild

you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it

Jan's early readslist was post 48 when Baudib had made two posts, namely these two:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Wow where to begin

A purposely wolfy opener. This is NAI

Is Neb a noob? They seem like a noob to me.

Calling Benneh a noob. This is also NAI

...two NAI joke posts. Yes I will scumread someone who puts this as top town.

My readslist was post 133, when Baudib had made 17 posts, and my townread was based on the following:

[spoiler="Quotes"]

Cape wok you say I am good or bad at reading you at this point. I actually don’t know.

That’s not what I asked though. I don’t expect anyone to have a read on me at this point.

First mindmeld, I also thought "this is not an answer to the actual question" and it shows that Baudib actually cares about his question to Cape instead of just asking to have interactions with the other players. He also acknowledges here that he hasn't done anything AI yet which lined up with my own opinion.

Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.

I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.

If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

This mirrored my own feelings about Cape and Jan at that time.

PZelda’s opener was pretty cringe but maybe not in a wolfy wsy. We can wait for him to do the coffee tell.

Dya’s response in #86 is probably > rand V for them.

This game doesn’t really start until Visor gets here imo.

I also found Pzelda's opener cringe.

Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.

If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…

I had not thought either of these but I agreed when I read them.

If this were a turbo I’d say Benneh giving Taffy a tonal V read is probably V for him because the turbo population isn’t great at reading her.

I, on the other hand, refuse to give Taffy a V!lean (cuz I’m a wolf ldo).

Benneh has only recently started trying to read me D1, his read this game felt in line wiith the ones he's made in turboes but he could have gotten away with not making one. He probably also knows that I tend to be suspicious of people who townread me early so this is a fair read on Benneh.

Baudib likewise has only started trying to read me recently so not wanting to do so until I posted more was fine.

Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

I disagree that he had done nothing, but it's a fair question.

Vote: Jan

I too thought that Jan was likely a wolf at that point, and probably for similar reasons.
[/spoiler]

You are comparing apples and oranges, Gemma.

the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo

also the pzelda read is something


this was pzelda's post:


pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that

No, Pzelda wolfy for saying he doesn't want to read and then in his next posts interacting and asking serious questions which requires reading, instead of coming in thread, saying he doesn't want to read, and joking around with people.

The rest of this post I've already responded to.