This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[baudib1]

Why do you not like my read there? I think Cuth has been very pro town

One of us is wrong somewhere.

[Cape90]

One of us is wrong somewhere.

anything in particular bother you there?

[Cuthillius]

One of us is wrong somewhere.

why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now

[baudib1]

anything in particular bother you there?

You/Dya sorta feels V/V. You/Gemma does not feel V/V to me.

why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now

Why would I care

[Cape90]

You/Dya sorta feels V/V. You/Gemma does not feel V/V to me.



Why would I care

that didn't answer my question on Cuth

[baudib1]

that didn't answer my question on Cuth

Your read on Cuth just sorta came out of nowhere. Let me look back at your list.

[Cape90]

Your read on Cuth just sorta came out of nowhere. Let me look back at your list.

yeah i was mostly talking about my wolf reads tbh today

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib


EOD in 4 minutes.

[Visor]

also wolfy sup, just got back from errands and activities that are entirely unrelated to wolfy lurking

[baudib1]

I think Jam/Visor is not a strict dichotomy as much as it is not w/w (I stole this from Taffy).

[Cape90]

okay @Cape90

i am going to the mountains tomorrow (for real, this isnt a euphemism) so i will not be super around for the day phase, though i will check in mornings and nights

let me lay out some shit (that ive already said)

first: cuths eod1 is really bad, the hard pushign of pzelda without conisderation fo other wagons (i already went over this yesterday)

second: i was like the first person to push baudib and i flipped a town read on him completely unnecessarily to make him a wagon when the whole game was townreading him

third: cuth made an awful push on taffy beacuse taffy is easy to misskill, (just ask me, ive done it plenty of times lmao)

yes this is a lower effort game from me, and i haven't been super forthright and playing hard, but i don't think my play has been unreadable

the fact is, I wolfed against baudib on here a while back, and he was a constant inquisitive thorn in my side, constantly trying to put the puzzle together

here he had an opening with joie de vivre, which led me to townreading him initially, but when i realised that hey, he isn't actually DOING anything to push the game forward, i was like nah bro passive af cya l8r fr fr 100 no cap bless up or whatever the kids say these days

he replied to a bunch of stuff but he wasnt engaging in the act of genuine solving



when it comes to cuth, my initial dislike of his posts stem from some of his overly wordy (poetry) posts which felt like pontificating on rubbish

and then i read over the rest of his posts and agreed with myself (wow) (and his d1 abotu pzelda/naudib was really bad)

but the kernel of everything is simply d1 imo, its the purest day. my progression on baudib is much purer than cuths and thats all that matters.

1. Yes I agree that it was pretty bad, slightly awkward. I'm kind of in this tug o war state whether cuth would actually push baud like that day 1, like obviously between the both of you there at least was some distancing going on, but I agree that the pzelda thing and the way cuth handled it looked sus.

2. I still think you are giving yourself way too much credit for baud, and also it misreps the fact that the whole town was townreading baud, as dyachei wasn't and actually came in with tangible evidence to support their claim. Not to mention that both you and baud were kinda doing this back and forth with like baud saying "Visor wolf" and you saying "baud wolf". The real people who put real leverage behind the baud push day 2, I'd argue, was benneh who voted them immediately into that day, and myself who even put a whole wall out for Rask to ignore.

3. That's part of the I killed benneh, he wasn't wolf.

I believe dyachei really said the whole moving the game forward argument first against baud.

Also I usually find cuth more wordy honestly, I felt like they were kind of lacking huge text walls that I have seen from their previous town games.

Also what you said about "purity" pings me, like it just seems like a moot point to bring up, like if you are town you ALREADY KNOW your thought process is pure and Cuth's isn't, it's kind of a given. IDK seems a little concerned about image to me?

I apologize for being pedantic here, also I am not too sure I have liked Cuth's focus today, or what they said yesterday about "oh but tomorrow i will have enough energy to towntell". Like ofc this is what mafia would want, to try to project towniness and stall out town from voting them yesterday ago.

[Cuthillius]

that wasn't to stall town out from voting me

that was just things seemed pretty straightforward to me after rereading at eod and nobody was doing anything else about it

i get that you knew benneh wasn't pr but visor bussed and benneh had pr cover and the gemma kill didn't make sense from you and you were villagery d1 and jan was villagery and nobody was working hard to do anything else

which again makes sense knowing what i know now but also kinda made sense with taffy!w

and i thought i'd been plenty villagery earlier

and i sure as hell didn't think i'd end up in an f3 vs visor with you as a clear pr lol or i wouldn't have been so cocksure

i was like 90% sure i was never dying yesterday and if i was i would have taken absolutely zero responsibility for a town loss at that point

[Cuthillius]

i'm going to the mountains tomorrow too btw (this is a euphemism)

[Visor]

1. Yes I agree that it was pretty bad, slightly awkward. I'm kind of in this tug o war state whether cuth would actually push baud like that day 1, like obviously between the both of you there at least was some distancing going on, but I agree that the pzelda thing and the way cuth handled it looked sus.

2. I still think you are giving yourself way too much credit for baud, and also it misreps the fact that the whole town was townreading baud, as dyachei wasn't and actually came in with tangible evidence to support their claim. Not to mention that both you and baud were kinda doing this back and forth with like baud saying "Visor wolf" and you saying "baud wolf". The real people who put real leverage behind the baud push day 2, I'd argue, was benneh who voted them immediately into that day, and myself who even put a whole wall out for Rask to ignore.

3. That's part of the I killed benneh, he wasn't wolf.

I believe dyachei really said the whole moving the game forward argument first against baud.

Also I usually find cuth more wordy honestly, I felt like they were kind of lacking huge text walls that I have seen from their previous town games.

Also what you said about "purity" pings me, like it just seems like a moot point to bring up, like if you are town you ALREADY KNOW your thought process is pure and Cuth's isn't, it's kind of a given. IDK seems a little concerned about image to me?

I apologize for being pedantic here, also I am not too sure I have liked Cuth's focus today, or what they said yesterday about "oh but tomorrow i will have enough energy to towntell". Like ofc this is what mafia would want, to try to project towniness and stall out town from voting them yesterday ago.

i woud like to state for the record, i dont think it is possible to call what i did to baudib distancing

i just straight up ushed him and asked the thread to kill him after i flipped my town read on him lol

2. note the timestamps, dyachei came back with an actual push only after i voted him

(eta: i checked to make sure, and i found this prior to my post, but i don't remember seeing it LOL "I'm a bit concerned about baudib because he seems so rational this game. I think you might be v but not ready to commit to that " and don't think it pushes baudib anyway, just hmmming about him)

post 230 i vote him, post 246 dya pushes baudib

3. yeah but benneh is bad at ww LOL (im joking benneh, you're actually terrible)

i will concede that you may find what dyachei said more valuable than what i did, ymmv and that i didnt give a shit about really laying out evidence i just keep telling people tp kill him, which is fair lol

re purity: i said that line to distill the essence of what i believe the pivotal moment of this game to be

i will say the d2 push means nothing to me

dya died after directly pyshing baudib with me, baudib barely tried at all

[Cape90]

I think I could swap like... Taffy and Cuth in my readslist, but that really doesn't do much, both have been very towny to me

Even when I feel that Cuth says something that is like... kinda NAI, it's one of those things that fails to bother me and I like the way they are navigating the thread.

When I look at most of Taffy's posts this game my brain goes "yeah this is just town" at like 80% of them so

[Cape90]

As much as baud said they didnt wanna flip pzelda and said they are 40% wolf though

I don't know if they just push Gemma here and hold steady there as wolf...

[Cape90]

As much as baud said they didnt wanna flip pzelda and said they are 40% wolf though

I don't know if they just push Gemma here and hold steady there as wolf...

Also coming back to this thought, it ties in to what I said about baud roping me and benneh into voting Gemma.

Because wolves would probably prefer it if pzelda stays alive over Gemma, because at least Gemma has been active day 1 and pzelda is logically an easy late game push as they, you know, posted 4 times yesterday

[Gemma]

cape the amount of thinking you do about hypotheticals is wild to me

[Cape90]

cape the amount of thinking you do about hypotheticals is wild to me

thanks i try

[baudib1]

I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.

The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.

Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible

[Cape90]

One of us is wrong somewhere.

this doesn't feel w/w

i uh

really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here

I felt that this was maybe ?.?