17er Saints and Martyrs

[Wisdom]

The word tunnel has truly lost any meaning it once had

All wolf reads I disagree with are tunnels :wowee:

[Vanta Black]

rescinded btw

Is this because I made one post and got quiet?

[Vanta Black]

Did I just double post? Eek

[Visor]

hey vanta

hope you enjoy your time here

Vote: vanta black

[ladd]

- Ladd vibes town. There was a post someone called tryhard/wolfy that I just found inherently towny. That kind of contrast feels towny though, "someone" is probably town. I'll check out who before going to work.

i am a bit confused by this whole sentence, is the second part about me or someone else? cause i def havent been tryhardy lmao



why do you v read logic?

[Jan]

So you know ..

I am european.
That it was 6 am when you made those posts.
and that I have one of the more annoying cases of covid going on right now (including fever headaches shivers loss of taste etc).

And the one person in this game you felt like you really needed at that moment in time is me?
When according to your own statement you thought me a wolf earlier?!

I have to assume that this is just a serious heat stroke on your part.

Anyway ... mostly back. Read stuff while in bed. Fed cats. Forced myself upright for a moment.
Maybe I even have thoughts in my next post but I would be surprised if they are all that different from Zacks recent word vomit (good vomit like a birb feeding smaller birbs).

[ladd]

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i mean if you planned to pretend to w read jan and the start of the game and then he actually pinged you, why not push him? seems like the logic(al) conlusion to me

what posts from jan pinged you?

[Wisdom]

i am a bit confused by this whole sentence, is the second part about me or someone else? cause i def havent been tryhardy lmao



why do you v read logic?

First sentence is you, rest turned out to be about Zack.

I found the timing of Logic's "X is usually good at reading me" to imply a towny perspective, I could probably flesh it out better when I'm not phoneposting but that's the core vibe at least.

[Wisdom]

Hey, Vanta! New player (to me) hype!
This might be the time where I check out the playerlist.

Hally has had so many copypastas that anyone could be in this game right now.

[Jan]

Nah you are right

Rask is a villager and artic push on them felt super malicious

And not beacause rask is a villager, the reasoning just feels way off...rask is a wolf for fosing a lot of people? Cmn friendo thats not a real reason

Question!
Do you think arctic after getting shit from the get go doubles down on his approach and stumbles over his feet while trying to case Rask?
I don't know Arctic really (unless I know a different alt name who knows in this economy) so this is both a serious question as well as me questioning your read.

Just a rare progression for a wolf. Not impossible but it is normally the road not taken.

[Wisdom]

That's 4 more players than I expected

[Vanta Black]

Okay, with absolutely very little meta to go on, in fact let's say none, I'm kinda townreading Raskol and Jan, kinda FOS on Arctic, Ladd, and Dyachie, and sorta null on everybody else. Also I guess Benneh is really Nebjiamn (my list came from the signup list).

I kinda go with vibes, at least early game, if you're wondering where this very lame reads list came from.

I do not agree with the dog name list. I would never name a dog something more than 2 syllables.

Sorry I haven't provided a lot of content, I got here late and was reading from the beginning.

Push me, I'll post more then.

[Jan]

That's 4 more players than I expected

You're welcome?

[Vanta Black]

hey vanta

hope you enjoy your time here

Vote: vanta black

Hi there.

[Wisdom]

You're welcome?

Why aren't you obv town yet!?

[ladd]

oh hey i remembered right lmao

i was sure dya made a villa read on gh for not tryharding in some other game here:

kind of a weird read but I kind of like that GH stepped away from the game after the hydra game ended. feels like if he were wolfing he'd be more likely to try hard after a loss there

He was but like...I feel like he makes himself tryhard as a wolf

[Wisdom]

Sorry, covid, I forgot
Take care!

[ladd]

Question!
Do you think arctic after getting shit from the get go doubles down on his approach and stumbles over his feet while trying to case Rask?
I don't know Arctic really (unless I know a different alt name who knows in this economy) so this is both a serious question as well as me questioning your read.

Just a rare progression for a wolf. Not impossible but it is normally the road not taken.

i am gonna be real, i only read the game once at 4 am, barely awake and while in bed. i am catching up in a more human way now

so the answer is - i am not sure i know what you are talking about but i'll get back at you when i am properly caught up


(but also wolves make wolfy posts..so on a conceptual level i dont see why they wouldnt stumble over their own feet?)

[ladd]

i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

i mean i dunno, i feel like i could say the same about logic (which is ironically what you all jumped on ender for even though i kinda agree with his assessment)

but even if i was misinterpreting that last post i don't think being french explains the sus on hally or how it feels like they're fos'ing like the entire game

these posts still feel wolfy to me, jan



hally explained it pretty well here so i don't really feel like repeating why:

i have like the exact opposite read from you guys on arctic’s string of posts just now lol

i don’t get why he’s harping on rask’s push so much. afaict the actual crux of rask’s read is more so that i’m underwhelming and mostly just joking around with people / not being the power villager of ye olden days. seems like a completely fine observation to me? but arctic seems to be ignoring the actual gist of what rask is saying and just focusing on him initially saying i was pockety (which i agree is not the right word to describe my play but i think get what he meant now)

also he said he’s wolf reading rask for “susing the entire game” but 1) rask is not really doing that imo and 2) even if he was, that would be villagery not wolfy especially when the main targets are stronger players, which i think arctic should know

idk feels like he’s trying hard to paint rask as wolfy when there’s nothing really there imo


tangential kinda but i kinda get w/w vibes from how arctic is talking about logic. like how he soft defends logic by saying he could say logic is just posting like himself too (does arctic even know logic?) then is at the same time going at rask saying that if anyone is busing logic it’s rask. like wat


in other news, uhh as i was walking home just now i got assaulted by this random guy (i’m fine, just a bit shaken up) so that’s fun. but on the bright side i get to work from home tomorrow because we’re getting a snowstorm

[Jan]

This is where I stand right now.
But the differences between groups are so small that some of those reads could rise or drop just based on me remembering something.
Spoilers are just some reasons for the slightly less obvious slots.

Pile of villagers:
Zack
Benneh
Raskolnikov

A likely villager next to the other villagers that I am afraid to pile on for reasons beyond me:
Hally

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

the frustration here felt villagery:

mfw i’m one of the top posters and the only two reads people have given on me are that i seem blendy and an NAI post i made in rvs is the one that sticks out the most as opposed to any of the ones where i actually try to solve the game

guess i should have stayed retired lmfao

Or daily dose of bait (as of right now I lean both of them villa but the day is young and I am hungry. )
Arctic
Logic

Gun to head villas. Honest null reads.
Syn
Dyachei
GH

--- null line

gun to head wolves. honest null reads.
Visor
Ladd
Gemma

Leftovers
Wisdom
Vanta Black

People who I want questioned:
Murska
Ender

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I disliked enders entry, which really does not matter because it was very minor.
The "I want to case Jan" followed by a nevermind hours later is what gets me as of right now.
It feels like killing me got out of reach and not worse the work, but to me any case you make on anybody gives me a chance to actually read you.
And you going limp when I get excited is just not fun for anybody.


Murksa felt early like the possible wolf falling into the arctic trap. I needed 2-3 arctic posts to switch from "look a wolf" to "well maybe that is just playstyle" (= null read).
That vote and the timing to show back up shorty after I talked about it just to disappear again.
Does not feel like somebody trying to solve the game in any way. (the only upside is that the vote stayed after my attack which shows some conviction. I like that)

Might be around to answer questions if you have any. I only feels slightly confident about the top 4 and the main reason I feel confident about those is because everybody else left me underwhelmed so far.

[ladd]

murska posts actually felt good to me (with the caveat that there is very few of them), but they seem more like a mislunch the wolves will eventually need to push than an actual wolf

zack/rask/jan are my top villas, in this order. think hally is fine too for d1



i get people pushing dya but i also think dya's string of posts isnt really wolfy for them nowadays. we shall see how it evolves tho


curious what @Visor thinks of syn, i know zack said they felt like classic syn but i have played the last like 4 org games with them and their play here feels very different to me shrug.jpg



idk if i have anything else interesting to say or thats not already been said

[ladd]

Vote: Arctic

Okay I actually take back my earlier read

what di you not like about their post?

umm but seriously speaking

even if the main reason for rask's push is being underwhelming, that's not much better either? because everyone is underwhelming lol. half the list isn't even playing yet. it's a light game and everyone's kinda messing around, so i don't think it makes sense to single you out for this. i also don't know if i'd consider this wolfy for you even if you weren't the only person doing this because i'm used to you kinda doing nothing in turbos on day 1 as town and trying harder as mafia

it did feel like rask was sussing a lot of people - he said he felt meh on you and benneh and sussed me, logic, and murska - that's 5 people, and maybe they aren't fleshed out wolfreads but the implication is still kinda there. and idk i'm just kinda predisposed to wolfread this personally cuz i got off a wolfgame where i kinda did the same game, and "how easy this person is to push" wasn't something i really thought about at this early of a stage, wolves don't need to push everyone they wolfread, they just need to sow the seeds and see what sticks

i have played with logic before yes, once, and i incorrectly suspected him in that game mostly because of the way he spoke in binary/absolute terms and seeming generally awkward in the way he came across, so i haven't found the pushes on him in this game convincing even though i don't townread him either. i said that about rask cuz i thought they were acting in a way that's w/w with logic even though i don't wolfread logic - that is, trying to milk cred for pushing him when he's barely done that (but according to everyone this is just a joke so w/e), and also his last post about me is implying a townread because of a preflip of logic wolf if i understand correctly. so yeah

oh and answering 209 at the same time - wait actually i kinda already answered this, i don't really think you lacking is wolfy because of my experience with you in turbos

[Jan]

murska posts actually felt good to me (with the caveat that there is very few of them), but they seem more like a mislunch the wolves will eventually need to push than an actual wolf

zack/rask/jan are my top villas, in this order. think hally is fine too for d1



i get people pushing dya but i also think dya's string of posts isnt really wolfy for them nowadays. we shall see how it evolves tho


curious what @Visor thinks of syn, i know zack said they felt like classic syn but i have played the last like 4 org games with them and their play here feels very different to me shrug.jpg



idk if i have anything else interesting to say or thats not already been said

Fine with all of this.
I feel syn feels similar to the game(s) we shared with the caveat that it might be slightly less.
The snark-fuelled depressed one-line posts read the same I just think Syn had like 20% more substance before. (part of the toan-read can be me reading into the lisa simpson avatar)
But I am not certain in any way.

This should be my post #27.
So I will cool off for a little while unless questions arise.

[ladd]

Fine with all of this.
I feel syn feels similar to the game(s) we shared with the caveat that it might be slightly less.
The snark-fuelled depressed one-line posts read the same I just think Syn had like 20% more substance before. (part of the toan-read can be me reading into the lisa simpson avatar)
But I am not certain in any way.

This should be my post #27.
So I will cool off for a little while unless questions arise.

alrighty, their snark felt way more game relevant to me in the other games and it felt like they made immediately their presence felt and pushed people with a ton of convintion while here in 12 posts i am not sure they have made a real read/push

but its possible i am the 1 who is way off

[ladd]

The lack of people appreciating my master bait on GH is sad tbh.

(really, what was the point?)

[EnderWiggin]

(really, what was the point?)

Sorry I forgot humour isn't allowed on this holy christian mafia forum.

[EnderWiggin]

Also for Arctic yes, I am bladescape.

Mildly want to reverse my reverse on Arctic for the simple reason of actually having paid attention to my play more than most other people.

Back to Jan just because someone accused me of hopping off that.

Vote: Jan

[EnderWiggin]

In other news my entire area has either lost power or internet because #AustralianInfrastructure.

And I work tangential to the Power Industry. Today was a Fun Day.

[ladd]

Sorry I forgot humour isn't allowed on this holy christian mafia forum.

no thats what i figured lol

but gemma villa read you for it so i kinda thought maybe i was missing something deeper



but good thing you remembered humour is not allowed, thats strike 1

[Syn]

alrighty, their snark felt way more game relevant to me in the other games and it felt like they made immediately their presence felt and pushed people with a ton of convintion while here in 12 posts i am not sure they have made a real read/push

but its possible i am the 1 who is way off

wisdom can be town



also anyone who's already wall-posted